Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
“YOU show us where that appears in Scripture, or admit that the Catholic church is wrong.”
Why do you expect the Catholic Church to operate on some 16th Century invention called Sola Scriptura?
You seem to have trouble believing what Jesus said...Are you a Gentile??? If so, Jesus says His Gospel is NOT for you...Don't argue with me...Take it up with Jesus...
I am not arguing with you. I merely repeat back to you the evidence that you give to us that you are not Christian. If you refer to the last chapters of both Mark and Matthew, all will be made clear to even pagan eyes.
You also seem to be disingenuous...It was Paul that gave you the knowledge of the Gospel of your Grace, not Jesus...It was Paul that revealed to you that you would be allowed into the church that Jesus planned on building...If Jesus had not revealed this information to Paul, you wouldn't have a church to go to...
Then why wrap yourself in a faux cover of Christianity? Why not just admit outright that you are Paulian and be done with it?
“ONE of the definitions involves the Catholic church.”
That’s debatable, but it doesn’t matter. Only one definition needs to involve the Catholic Church. Are you suggesting that it is inaccurate to use a word, because it can also be used in a different sense?
I guess it’s wrong to say I boarded a plane at the airport, because another definition of plane is a flat surface.
I sure am glad I found the real truth and got out of that mess.
Thanks for your non-contribution to this thread.
Nobody said anything about SS except you. Expecting SOME Scriptural support for any doctrine is not unreasonable and is not SS.
Anyway, the Catholic church uses Scripture to back up the papacy, apostolic succession, transubstantiation, baptism, the priesthood, the keys of heaven and locking people out and all manner of other heresies.
Why not use Scripture to backup that Mary is a mediatrix as the Catholic church claims?
But, hey, thanks for demonstrating that there is none. It goes to show that the whole doctrine of her being a mediatrix is a fairy tale that the Catholic church teaches as truth.
What do you suppose that God will have to say about the Catholic church teaching as true things that are not?
Thirty-seven priests in one city in one diocese.
Yet again we are not allowed to defend ourselves.
No one is preventing anyone from defending anything. Roman Catholics on this forum regularly defend pederast priests and the organization that covers for them by diminishing the assaults, by pointing fingers at everyone else, and by denying the victims' charges and intentions.
This thread is filled with those kinds of dissembling. There is no "lopsided view of this crisis" other than the view presented by Rome.
"Crisis" for whom?
- Whom does the puppeteer represent?
- The choices are few, when you think about it, aren’t they?
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Afraid to state in a straightforward manner what you meant, eh?
Some of us are surprised to you see back, Cronos. It's not Easter yet. Didn't you say you were giving up FR for Lent?
The distinctions between Protestant denominations is an interesting topic, but has no bearing on the subject of this thread which is the pederasty that is rampant within the Roman Catholic priestcraft.
Why don't you post another thread and discuss your concerns there?
After you return from Lent.
Mark 16 and Matthew 28 has been eliminated by the Great Church of Iscool (population 1), handed down from the Throne of the Great Sports Interpretation on NFL Sundays? And poor Paul is responsible for all this is he?
Let's recap what Jesus ACTUALLY said after He was Resurrected and was readying them for Pentecost (the starting signal, as it were):
Matthew 28: 18 11 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
Mark 16: . 14 (But) later, as the eleven were at table, he appeared to them and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart because they had not believed those who saw him after he had been raised. 15 He said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages. 18 They will pick up serpents (with their hands), and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." 19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he spoke to them, was taken up into heaven and took his seat at the right hand of God. 20 But they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the word through accompanying signs.) 3
Luke tells us in Acts 1: 4 While meeting with them, he enjoined them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for "the promise of the Father 3 about which you have heard me speak; 5 for John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the holy Spirit." 6 When they had gathered together they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going 4 to restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 5 He answered them, "It is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has established by his own authority. 8 6 But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
The only trash to be dealt with is the ruins of the Reformation and the rubble of the Restoration. Jesus tells us with his own words that the Apostles are to evangelize the earth (note that Paul is not part of this instruction - where do we have Scripture quote Jesus telling Paul this? Answer: we have no Scripture quoting Jesus talking to Paul as He did the 12 and those He dealt with during His Incarnation, right?) and He will be with them always.
As Christians, we follow Jesus. Who did you say that you follow?
Ah, yes, you follow a cupie (sic) doll.
Holding Scriptures as supreme does not negate the teaching magisterium of the church, and in fact it materially establishes it, but it makes it subject to the Scriptures, rather than being the supreme authority on faith and morals, as possessing formulaic infallibility.
AMEN!
“Nobody said anything about SS except you.”
You’re the one saying something is not true unless it’s in scripture. Hmmm, I think there’s a name for that doctrine...
“Why not use Scripture to backup that Mary is a mediatrix as the Catholic church claims?”
They don’t have to.
“But, hey, thanks for demonstrating that there is none.”
Never did that. But, hey, thanks for demonstrating that you pull conclusions out of your you-know-what. Maybe I just don’t feel like looking up the Scriptural support, since its besides the point.
“her being a mediatrix is a fairy tale that the Catholic church teaches as truth.”
Incidentally, that’s how most people tend to feel about the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their belief that Jesus and Michael Archangel are the same.
“What do you suppose that God will have to say about the Catholic church teaching as true things that are not?”
I guess He wouldn’t like it if it were possible.
What lies? That there was abuse in the Catholic church?
Sure you can defend the church, but since it's apparent that there IS a problem and there the church WAS remiss in how it dealt with the problem, why would you want to defend it?
Everyone knows that not every priest abuses. Everyone is aware that false accusations can and probably will be made (which is reprehensible because it does a great disservice to those actually abused).
Therefore, in light of that, it's possible that the problem is not as widespread as it appears.
OTOH, Catholics need to at least be realistic and realize that the problem could also be worse than it appears. Not everyone who was abused can or will report it. Some likely have died, and some probably want to move on and forget about it.
But there is no reasonable, credible defense of the priests and the hierarchy which protected them. No excuse cuts it and no amount of blameshifting works either.
All that does is leave the distinct impression that Catholics are out of touch with reality on the issue and want to believe so badly that the problem isn't what it appears that they deny the obvious, that it indeed could be worse.
Nobody wants to feel betrayed by an organization they trust, but sadly that has happened. The Catholic church has failed the victims, has failed their families, and has failed the rest of its members in about the worst possible way.
Should we expect any church to be exempt from sin by it's members and clergy? Not realistically.
Should they be exempt from addressing it properly? NEVER.
Is that before or after you get into the slivovitz?
Wow. That is just about the most insane comment I've read in a long time on this forum. Wow.
Please show us where the judge said or implied ANYTHING like that.
She simply said the defense attorney attended the same seminary at the same time where and when the alleged sex abuse was taking place, and therefore he might have information about the case that would cause him to be called as a witness.
Witness.
In English, once again...
WITNESS.
LOL
If God says it, it IS. No opinion about it at all. When God tells us we are to have no other gods before Him, is it a suggestion, or a command? Doesn’t that rate as fact?
If Christ teaches us to pray to the Father, does that mean it’s an opinion only?
Nice, but again, fail.
Excellent response to aruanan, who failed to make any salient point other than to question the confidence Christians have been given in the veracity of the word of God.
Does this mean that you either afraid that it refers to you, or alternatively, does not?
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