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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When I say Catholic is the largest “denomination” in America and the world, you keep denying that by saying that there are more “Protestants” and “Evangelicals.” I don’t know what else you could be saying by that.


521 posted on 03/27/2011 2:59:07 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Gamecock
I’m no expert, but I’ve heard different explanations. What is important is that we worship no one but God.

As an aside, not everyone agrees that Michael Archangel isn’t God

Really? The angels were created by God. So, Roman Catholics pray to the created, not the Creator, and then make the claim that somehow the Archangel Michael is God? And this from people who subscribe to the "Church" that claims to have given us Scripture?

Wow. If this doesn't go to prove the apostasy of Roman Catholicism, what does? Is it any wonder the nature, extent, and vileness of the pederasty that goes on in the cult of the Roman Catholic Church!

I'm stunned.

And there are those who would claim Protestants are heretics.

Hoss

522 posted on 03/27/2011 3:07:30 PM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Imagine, someone who says they disobeyed the rules and were rightly chastised for it.....No wonder you’re no longer RC. 8~)

Never thought about it like that. But YES! I'm free to admit the truth because I found it! I'll admit another truth, at the time I didn't feel like it was justified. LOL! But I realized - yes it was, according to FR rules, not mine. Praise God!

523 posted on 03/27/2011 3:10:14 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sorry Doc, that's the way it is. Pedophiles LIKE the kiddies and will do anything to get near them (as you know) and that includes marriage.

The RCCs are simply a bigger target than most other groups.

I'd like for you to figure out why Philadelphia, obviously run by a bunch of pedophiles, is going after the RCC other than for the purpose of removing some of the competition.

Everybody knows the City Fathers were out after the Boy Scouts and want to have access for their pedophile friends, so why aren't they happy enough to have 37 of them infiltrated into one diocese?

You cannot deal with the one problem without also recognizing the other ~ so far your arguments simply Do Not Compute.

524 posted on 03/27/2011 3:18:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: HossB86; Gamecock; metmom; presently no screen name; RnMomof7
The angels were created by God. So, Roman Catholics pray to the created, not the Creator

Certainly is a tip-off that Rome isn't Kosher. 8~)

If this doesn't go to prove the apostasy of Roman Catholicism, what does? Is it any wonder the nature, extent, and vileness of the pederasty that goes on in the cult of the Roman Catholic Church!

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- Matthew 7:16-20

Evil begets evil.

525 posted on 03/27/2011 3:22:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: muawiyah

More deflection. More “but they all do it.”

37 priests in one city in one diocese.

The error is to think this diocese is exceptional. It’s much more likely to be illustrative of the majority of them.


526 posted on 03/27/2011 3:27:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

It did take years, but as I said, patience pays.

They finally did get an answer on Alex Murphy.


527 posted on 03/27/2011 3:28:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon

So far you have not shown me where, as you accused, I have said Protestantism is a denomination.

Wouldn’t it be a lot simpler to say you misread what I wrote and in fact, I have not said Protestantism is a denomination?

These kinds of endless trajectories only serve to further ignore the article that began this thread.

Almost as if that were the intention.


528 posted on 03/27/2011 3:31:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You implied that Protestant is a denomination but did so with plausible deniability.


529 posted on 03/27/2011 3:33:35 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
They’ll do anything to defame the Catholic Church.

Nobody needs to *defame* the Catholic church. The church has done plenty all by its lonesome to defame itself.

If it would quit providing material for others to merely point out, it would have nothing to complain about. Then it could rightly say that it's all slander and lies.

But it isn't. All they end up screaming is *anti-Catholicism*. They aren't (and can't) denying that it's true. They're claiming that people pointing out the obvious and rightly condemning the behavior is being *anti-Catholic*.

Martyrdom only works when someone has done nothing wrong. When one is caught and condemned for wrong doing, it's called *consequences*.

530 posted on 03/27/2011 3:36:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon

lol. No, I didn’t. And the shoddy defense of “you implied” carries zero weight.

You implied you were a giraffe.

Disprove it.


531 posted on 03/27/2011 3:36:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Maybe that diocese had a protector and enabler somewhere in the hierarchy so they all ended up there. Or maybe they're all friends and made sure they could protect each other.

What you'll find in statistics is that you usually need more than one sample cell (in this case a diocese) to work out your statistical norms.

You know very well your typical pedophile is NOT A LONER.

The RCC is just a larger target. Those women in all those public schools certainly prove the phenomenon is quite widespread although DC did have a "nest" several years back who got caught. Vermont, for example, has several judges who appear to have the job of turning these guys loose and you'll never hear Senator Leahy, for another example, criticizing any of his fellow Democrats who are soft on pedophiles.

532 posted on 03/27/2011 3:38:04 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: HossB86

“So, Roman Catholics pray to the created, not the Creator, and then make the claim that somehow the Archangel Michael is God?”

Catholics do not claim that Michael is God. Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that he is Jesus. If you think that Catholics believe Michael the Archangel is God, then that shows how little knowledge of Catholicism you have.

“And this from people who subscribe to the “Church” that claims to have given us Scripture?”

Yes they did. It’s funny that you put “Church” in quotation marks, because it is an actual Church, unlike the various ecclesiastical communities that you may or may not belong to.

“Is it any wonder the nature, extent, and vileness of the pederasty that goes on in the cult of the Roman Catholic Church!”

Yes, the pederasty is less in extent and vileness than other organizations. And it’s funny that you call the Church a cult.

“And there are those who would claim Protestants are heretics.”

Cause they are.


533 posted on 03/27/2011 3:38:53 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And again, why are you protecting the same Philadelphia government that sought to open up the Boy Scouts to pedophile attacks.

It's not a case of "they all do it", but Philadelphia does seem to have a nest of pedophiles in positions of authority.

You can't excuse the city government and the local prosecutors for what they tried to do to the Boy Scouts by pointing to what they see to be doing to the RCCC now.

These two acts must be reconciled.

534 posted on 03/27/2011 3:42:20 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Spew food on keyboard and monitor....

Thanks a lot.


535 posted on 03/27/2011 3:43:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon

Terminological consistency requires that a Protestant to be a real Christian heritic first have been a Catholic.


536 posted on 03/27/2011 3:44:35 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: muawiyah

Ok, then their doctrines descend from heretics.


537 posted on 03/27/2011 3:46:09 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: RnMomof7

That should be.....

Interesting term for a “newbie”


538 posted on 03/27/2011 3:46:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I think that would screen quite effectively on the seriousness of folks call . . .

I doubt it would help the priest shortage a lot.


539 posted on 03/27/2011 3:46:16 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Gamecock
Let me try this again --

So, Roman Catholics pray to the created, not the Creator

The post says basically, 'this prayer is good for those coming into this discussion' -- and it's a prayer to the Archangel Michael. Roman Catholics pray to a created being INSTEAD of praying directly to God?

"Our Father...."

No one else. Just God.

Please -- focus.

So.. Roman Catholics, according to your post (or at least some of them) pray to angels. This is heretical. Do you not see that? When Christ taught his disciples to pray, He didn't say, "pray like this: Archangel Michael/Mary/St. So-and-So, patron saint of Widget makers...." NO!

Hoss

540 posted on 03/27/2011 3:49:09 PM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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