Posted on 01/23/2011 5:12:54 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
What you appear to misunderstand is that the invisible church has and always will be one in Christ, but the “churches” of men are not the church. They are at war with the church, and the one that is most at war is the Roman ‘catholic’ church.
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“My Bible says Baptism is how your sins are washed away and you receive the Holy Spirit. Peter says it saves you! Of course, if an adult is coming to Christ, they first must profess faith in Christ.”
Then you need to get a more accurate Bible.
“8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” - Romans 10
“1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” - Romans 5
Remember, Acts 2 records a few sentences from an entire sermon:
“40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.”
Baptism, in scripture, is important and is done immediately following conversion (unlike Catholic practice). Also, you need to remember that salvation is used in more than one sense, and Peter often used it to refer to our salvation from the world around us - sanctification, not justification.
“...while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.” - 1 Pete 3
The water of the flood didn’t save Noah from death, but from the polluting society in which he lived. “Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience...”
Acts 22:16 - how was Saul told to wash away his sins, baptism or to say the sinners prayer?
is 1 Peter 3:21 in your Bible?
they all hold and teach the Catholic Faith, some Protestants are close, others not so much.
The 2nd Nicean creed says that, not the first.
I guess that you missed the comma between being baptised and having your sins washed away?
They truly are quite separate.
Those reading Romans were baptized Christians and they, like Paul himself, were already baptized for the remission of sin. There is no contradiction.
what amazes me is anyone would twist the Scriptures to support a teaching unheard before the 16th century. the “pillar of truth” didn’t understand baptism for 1,500 years??? good luck with that one!
Luke wrote with commas? LOL!
The keys to the Kingdom were given to each individual. God decides whether one will live in Heaven based on the decisions they made regarding such things as the values they hold and how those decisions and how those values compare to His own. ie. the values of the Holy Spirit. Those decisions are what is to be loosed and bound and it's being given to the reader, not to Peter. Note that Peter, in Matt 16:17-19, already made decisions regarding such things as values, that he used as reference points to conclude that Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus acknowledged that He was and went beyond that by saying that He was identically the Father, because it was the words and actions of Jesus that indeed are the Words of the Father, that Peter was working with.
The idea that Peter and some line of human successors was given the power to determine whether others would enter and live in Heaven is not supported by anything in the Bible. That power is God's alone.
"There is the authority."The authority to determine one's destiny belongs to that individual. That's what Freedom is about. God's gift of Life and Freedom was never revoked, eliminated and man's condition turned into a dictatorship under Peter and some line of successors determined by Roman councils, regardless of how many certifications they issued each other.
Matt 16:17-19, "Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
The whole chapter 3 is in my Bible, so that I can read the entire thought that is expressed therein:
1Peter 3:
[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
[19] By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
[20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
[21] The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
So you see, Paul did not say baptism was salvation, but the resurrection of Jes Christ.
Catholics love to chop up the word to make it thereby lie.
What is the Catholic faith? You might want to go back to early church history and learn how the church developed. The idea of a Catholic faith v. a Protestant faith is a little dubious. The church had significant doctrinal splits long before the Reformation. The four parts of orthodox christian tradition: Roman, Eastern, Syriac, and Coptic are not in communion with each other as a whole entity.
The Holy Spirit works this gift through the Word and the Sacraments, baptism and holy communion.
Luke 18:15-17 The Little Children and Jesus 15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
AMEN!
is there a comma in Mark 16:16 or Acts 2:38-39? or 1 Corinthians 12:12-13? Romans 6:3-4? Galatians 6:26-27? Titus 3:5?
Please stop chopping the Bible into meaningless bits!
The believers here can see your errors; why can’t you?
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what is the catholic faith? one part is baptismal regeneration. that’s how one is placed into Christ’s Body.
i believe what Orthodox Chrsitians have believed for 2,000, not 16th century man made traditions.
it’s been fun, time to go to work and pay Obama’s taxes!
Yes, there is. When Paul writes, "For by grace you have been saved through faith", he is explaining to Christians what has happened to them.
"...they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins." - Matt 3. Was it the water, or the confession and repentance that saved them?
When Jesus said, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel", did he mean it?
When John the Baptist said, "I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit", did he mean it? Is the baptism that saves the baptism of the Holy Spirit, or water? If an unrepentant man is baptized, will it save him from anything?
When Paul wrote, "Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?", did he mean it?
"2:38 Repent ye [metanoēsate]. First aorist (ingressive) active imperative. Change your mind and your life. Turn right about and do it now. You crucified this Jesus. Now crown him in your hearts as Lord and Christ. This first. And be baptized every one of you [kai baptisthētō hekastos h–mōn]. Rather, “And let each one of you be baptized.” Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” [en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou]. In accordance with the command of Jesus in Mt 28:19 [eis to onoma]. No distinction is to be insisted on between [eis to onoma] and [en tōi onomati] with [baptizō] since [eis] and [en] are really the same word in origin. In Ac 10:48 [en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou] occurs, but [eis] to [onoma] in 8:16; 19:5. The use of [onoma] means in the name or with the authority of one as [eis onoma prophētou] (Mt 10:41) as a prophet, in the name of a prophet. In the Acts the full name of the Trinity does not occur in baptism as in Mt 28:19, but this does not show that it was not used. The name of Jesus Christ is the distinctive one in Christian baptism and really involves the Father and the Spirit. See on Mt 28:19 for discussion of this point. “Luke does not give the form of words used in baptism by the Apostles, but merely states the fact that they baptized those who acknowledged Jesus as Messiah or as Lord” (Page). Unto the remission of your sins [eis aphesin tōn hamartiōn h–mōn]. This phrase is the subject of endless controversy as men look at it from the standpoint of sacramental or of evangelical theology. In themselves the words can express aim or purpose for that use of [eis] does exist as in 1Co 2:7 [eis doxan hēmōn] (for our glory). But then another usage exists which is just as good Greek as the use of [eis] for aim or purpose. It is seen in Mt 10:41 in three examples [eis onoma prophētou, dikaiou, mathētou] where it cannot be purpose or aim, but rather the basis or ground, on the basis of the name of prophet, righteous man, disciple, because one is, etc. It is seen again in Mt 12:41 about the preaching of Jonah [eis to kērugma Iōna]. They repented because of (or at) the preaching of Jonah. The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koinē generally (Robertson, Grammar, p. 592). One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received. The gift of the Holy Ghost [tēn dōrean tou hagiou pneumatos]. The gift consists (Ac 8:17) in the Holy Spirit (genitive of identification).
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/robertson_at/wp_acts.iii.html
“Faith is a gift of grace from God, given by the Holy Spirit. “
Actually, it never says that in scripture...
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