Posted on 01/16/2011 4:09:10 PM PST by balch3
There is nothing “wrong” with the creation account in Genesis, if it represents the limits of your understanding. Just as there is nothing “wrong” with the belief of Zeus, leprechauns, or vampires. I believe unicorn farts smell like gardenias - prove that they don’t.
That’s the same link as the one posted by metmom - I’ve already discussed it. Please try to keep up...
Explain. Bear in mind, you’re not one to seek “refuge in silliness”.
Simple. Whoever is studying the evolution of the candidate.
You were unable to avoid the intelligent designer, even in your own attempts at describing evolution.
How can I avoid something that I've not even referred to? You've jumped too early. I was referring to the observer, not any "intelligent designer".
Ah, c’mon now Stormer, are you really smart enough to recognize an imbecile if you met one? Wondering, Bob
I really think you are bringing up a “problem” that does not exist.
He created the heavens and the earth. In the process, the earth starts out as a void. The word for void can partially mean “vain” or “waste.” So?
That doesn’t mean the void was not a good thing. It was a starting point, what God started with. We apparently don’t even really know what “wa bohu” means.
God created man out of the dust of the ground. Was the dust bad or a net negative until God breathed the breath of life into man? It was dirt. Dirt is not generally used as a good word in the Bible. So what?
A painter starts with an empty canvas. A potter starts with a relatively shapeless chunk of clay. A sculptor starts with a featureless piece of marble. These are not “bad.” They are formless or void; they are the space the artist creates in.
I see no problem here and don’t understand why you are apparently seeing some sort of contradiction.
Of course there is always the musical group Devo - one of my very favorites.
>>I see no problem here and dont understand why you are apparently seeing some sort of contradiction.<<
The problem is that you try to enclose God into a box of roughly 6072 years. I, on the other hand, contend that there was a world prior to Genesis 1:2 that was destroyed then rebuild in Genesis 1:2 and subsequent. In fact, there could have been multiple times that the world has been reframed or rebuilt of billions of years. God is eternal, why would you suggest that He only has done one world that has existed for only 6-7 thousand years?
>>I see no problem here and dont understand why you are apparently seeing some sort of contradiction.<<
The problem is that you try to enclose God into a box of roughly 6072 years. I, on the other hand, contend that there was a world prior to Genesis 1:2 that was destroyed then rebuild in Genesis 1:2 and subsequent. In fact, there could have been multiple times that the world has been reframed or rebuilt of billions of years. God is eternal, why would you suggest that He only has done one world that has existed for only 6-7 thousand years?
It sure got a rise out of you. Must have hit directly on the mark.
Look at the extinction and emergence of new species of living beings. Surely they don't believe God is still 'creating'...LOL.
Especially those of pink unicorns on Jupiter! LOL. :)
Once again, Mr. Bill uses out-of-context quoting so that he has something to say.
"move from order to disorder not the other way around".--- PastorJimCM
PastorJim's actual statement was, "They also realize that things move from order to disorder not the other way around. EXCEPT in their theory of evolution - which they have not been able to repeat in the lab."
Poor Mr. Bill. Resorting to misquoting so he can imply that evolution can move from disorder to order.
It's not necessary to stipulate an acceptance of evolution to observe that Ice on top of Mount Everest exists in a more complex organizational state, and higher stored energy level, than water in the Indian Ocean; as the Sun's decay liberates energy to drive the process of transforming water in oceans into ice on mountain tops.... all obedient to the laws of Thermodynamics."
Dear Mr. Bill. Ice has a lower entropy and a lower energy level than water. The sun moves ice from lower entropy to higher entropy, just as the heat of a boiling pot of water will change a fertile egg into breakfast.
“God is eternal, why would you suggest that He only has done one world that has existed for only 6-7 thousand years?”
I am reading the Bible and believing the chronology of time that is plainly given.
That is hardly putting God in a box. He revealed what He did. I am simply believing what He said. Would He lie?
[Dear Mr. Bill. Ice has a lower entropy and a lower energy level than water.]
Not when it’s ice on top of Mt Everest, that was formerly water in the Indian Ocean, Mr. Religionist.
I think you’re ignoring the increased potential energy part of the system, when water is moved approx. 8900 metres high from sea level to the top of Mt. Everest.
Oh yes, Mr. Bill. Ice always has a lower entropy and lower energy level than water.
Always, Mr. Bill. Always...
So do you think that ice at the top of Mt. Everest has higher entropy and higher energy than water at sea level?
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