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Mohler takes on 'theistic evolution'
Associated Baptist Press ^ | January 13, 2011 | Bob Allen

Posted on 01/16/2011 4:09:10 PM PST by balch3

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To: kosta50

I forgot to tell you: the cow and the human were anesthetized - unconscious.


1,541 posted on 02/18/2011 11:19:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
So if your view of God in these terms does not hold when applied to Jesus, then it is not the Christian view of God.

Then what is the Christian view on Isaiah 13:16?

1,542 posted on 02/18/2011 11:20:03 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
And a follow up:

What makes your view correct and theirs not?

1,543 posted on 02/18/2011 11:21:22 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: D-fendr
I forgot to tell you: the cow and the human were anesthetized - unconscious...

Convenient, why not just dead? Same thing. I wouldn't want to be in their predicament.

1,544 posted on 02/18/2011 11:27:18 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
What makes your view correct and theirs not?

Because they're mine, of course.

1,545 posted on 02/18/2011 11:29:39 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
What purpose? You are operating with ideas that have no backing, or at least you have not demonstrated that they do. Everything is if, maybe, what about...etc.

You are pulling terms and conditions out of a hat as you go along and hardly ever answer anything concretely. I can't take your questions seriously if you are going to continue this. There is too much fog in the air.

1,546 posted on 02/18/2011 11:31:43 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: D-fendr
Because they're mine, of course.

Good night.

1,547 posted on 02/18/2011 11:32:21 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
why not just dead?

Cause you couldn't choose to kill them if they were already dead.

I wouldn't want to be in their predicament.

Turns out that with you at the buttons, they lucked out and lived. Chicago? Not so much - thirty seconds are up.

:)

1,548 posted on 02/18/2011 11:35:08 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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Basically you see the OT in a view that relegates it to a collection of metaphors. Jonah didn't really dwell in the belly of a fish and God / Jesus didn't order the slaughter of the Amalekite infants, in spite of what the OT says, in plain words.

I forgot to tell you: the cow and the human were anesthetized - unconscious.

Would a human being following the Golden Rule want another to have the weight be dropped unto him, when the places are switched? Do not do unto others what you don't want done unto you.

"Here certainly is the golden maxim: Do not do to others that which we do not want them to do to us."

- Confucius

 "Is there one word which may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not RECIPROCITY such a word?"
- Zi Gong, Confucius, Analects XV.24 (tr. Chinese Text Project)
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."
- Confucius, Analects XV.24 

1,549 posted on 02/18/2011 11:35:45 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: kosta50
What purpose?

In your part of the universe, you get to decide.

1,550 posted on 02/18/2011 11:36:56 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Basically you see the OT in a view that relegates it to a collection of metaphors.

Way oversimplified. Have you studied the OT much? I don't mean that pejoratively, but it's a huge work - it's not just metaphor or just history or just myth or just literature or just songs or just theology or...

Would a human being following the Golden Rule want another to have the weight be dropped unto him…

How about the cow? Seriously, I got no problem with the golden rule being applied here. My questions to you are about why you think it's a good rule.

Is it because Confucius said so?

:)

1,551 posted on 02/18/2011 11:47:07 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; kosta50

Because of its simple truth, the Golden Rule (Do Not Do Unto Others What You Wouldn’t Want Done Unto You), rules.

It’s older than all religions; not unique to any; is not unique amongst humans alone; it does not require the selective self-categorisation of the scriptures you call your own into myth, allegory, mumbo-jumbo, truth / half-truth, metaphor and what-nots; it can fish out the moral choice from a wild array of circumstances; and is the basis upon which social cooperation and amity rests.

It’s a single, simple rule that replaces any scripture with their wild contradictions that are conveniently ignored, and hence, is superior.


1,552 posted on 02/18/2011 11:57:18 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Thanks for your your reply.

Ok, it's simple, it's old, it's not unique, it replaces scripture, it ain't myth or allegory or metaphor… All these things you like about it.

Because of its simple truth

Why is it true?

1,553 posted on 02/19/2011 12:01:02 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; kosta50

When you have tools A, B, C, D... and so on, but find that only tool C has helped you and everyone else in overcoming every single moral conundrum ever come across, it would be safe to say that tool C is the only tool of relevance in solving problems pertaining to morality.

That tool, is the Golden Rule.

The rest, like the child slaughter-mandating 1 Samuel 15:3 that you choose to ignore as if it weren’t even part of the entire cafeteria you’ve called your own (even when you cannot explain what that verse, and others that were pointed to you, earlier, are in your scriptures for), are what tool C isn’t, when compared to the other tools. If tool C suffices, it is the truth. The rest, are garbs thrown around some truth. If you have tool C, you can throw out the other tools, as they aren’t of any use when it pertains to morality.


1,554 posted on 02/19/2011 12:13:21 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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Ok. I think I see: It "works" very well as a tool, it's effective.

helped you and everyone else in overcoming every single moral conundrum

It's a useful tool in making moral decisions.

If I'm understanding so far... The value of the tool is it helps you make morally right decisions.

Wouldn't you still have to have some other measure of "morally right" in order to judge the value and effectiveness of the tool in achieving it??

1,555 posted on 02/19/2011 12:20:49 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Ok. I think I see: It "works" very well as a tool, it's effective.

helped you and everyone else in overcoming every single moral conundrum

It's a useful tool in making moral decisions.

If I'm understanding so far... The value of the tool is it helps you make morally right decisions.

Wouldn't you still have to have some other measure of "morally right" in order to judge the value and effectiveness of the tool in achieving it??

1,556 posted on 02/19/2011 12:20:52 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: James C. Bennett
The other alternative is:

whatever the results of using the tool are, they morally right because you used the tool to make them.

1,557 posted on 02/19/2011 12:22:25 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Wouldn't you still have to have some other measure of "morally right" in order to judge the value and effectiveness of the tool in achieving it??

Nope.

The Golden Rule suffices. It cannot be reduced further.

If another was needed, that would supersede the Golden Rule.

Main point: No "side-features" that need to be ignored so as to use, a-la 1 Samuel 15:3

1,558 posted on 02/19/2011 12:29:45 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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whatever the results of using the tool are, they morally right because you used the tool to make them.

Give me an unfavourable outcome arising out of using the Golden Rule, AND provide your alternative that somehow fixes that issue.

1,559 posted on 02/19/2011 12:31:31 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

>>>The Golden Rule suffices

So if the question is:

Why is the golden rule morally right, the answer is: It just is.

No reason required.


1,560 posted on 02/19/2011 12:33:31 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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