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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
God's gonna get around to that little problem at the same time He changes all the DNA and genetics to conform to the Book of Mormon. Just ask resty.
Personally I’m very thankful someone strong armed me into the body of Christ or I’d still be lost. I’d rather be strong armed into Heaven than loved into Hell any day of the week. But that’s just me.
This is the kind of ministry for Christ and witnessing I believe Jesus Christ commanded..
A Great Witness for Christ who just passed away...
ELKTON, Maryland, January 4, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The pro-family movement is mourning the loss of a great advocate for authentic sexuality, as Courage founder Fr. John F. Harvey passed away December 27.
The priest, 92, died at Union Hospital in Elkton, Maryland; a funeral was celebrated on December 31 in Wilmington, Delaware.
Fr. Harvey founded the Courage apostolate in 1980 at the request of Cardinal Terrence Cooke, then-Archbishop of New York, and served as director until 2008. The ministry offers a spiritual support system to men and women struggling with same-sex attractions, and promotes chastity and the development of an integrated sexuality.
They now run over a 100 chapters in a dozen countries, and have been endorsed by the Vatican.
“For Fr. Harvey, homosexuality was not a cultural issue or a topic to be debated,” said Fr. Paul Check, Fr. Harvey’s successor at Courage. “It was a reality in the life of individual people, who came to the Church with the hope of finding some understanding, some maternal love and solicitude, some compassion, some mercy, and, of course, truth.”
“He understood very well the human condition in both its vulnerabilities and in its nobility,” he added.
Fr. Check called him a “remarkable” yet “undervalued” man and a “pioneer” in authentic pastoral care for homosexual persons. He said the late priest was characterized most by “fidelity to the Church, humility, cheerfulness, great generosity of heart.”
“No matter how much resistance or misunderstanding he encountered - which was a great deal over a long lifetime of dealing with a very controversial subject - he was always very charitable,” said Fr. Check.
Making accusations likening FReepers to the Westboro bunch doesn't go over well here. There are some former Freepers who learned that the hard way.
I tried once to Strong Arm my mother into the body of Christ, and all that did was cause great division, now I just love and pray for her, and let Christ take over and slowly I see some change in her........
'Webster' DU is NOT!
DU, I believe if my memory serves me correctly, is referencing how MO's Gov. Boggs is an ancestor of his. [Correct me DU if I'm off-base here]
What most people miss -- including DU -- & especially OTHER Mormons trying to express why they have a persecution complex...is that they fail to "land" upon the correct definition of "extermination" in the 1835 time period.
Evidence (a): Webster's Dictionary of 1828 under "exterminate" has: "Literally, to drive from within the limits or borders. Hence, 1. To destroy utterly; to drive away...."
Source: MORMONS - PERSECUTED, PERSECUTOR OR BOTH?
Evidence (b): A Mormon author, George W. Givens, likewise pointed this out in his book 500 Little-Known Facts in Mormon History: Latter-day Saints have universally condemned the notorious Haun's Mill Massacre by a mom-militia shortly after Missouri Governor Boggs issued the infamous extermination order...a second look at the definition of the word "exterminate" as it was used in 1838, however, might cause us to take a second look at Governor Boggs as well. An American Dictionary of English Language, published in 1828, defines "exterminate" as "literally, to drive from within the limits or borders." (p. 26) Bonneville Books, 2004
Q What implications does this have?
A Simply put, beware of Mormon Victimology Mythology!
Mormon Victimology Mythology: Or How Mormon Historical Revisitionists often need a Paul Harvey type 'rest of the story' to hold them accountable for their strange gaps in their history!
Early Summer, 1838 -- July 4, in fact: Joseph Smith's "partner in cult mayhem is Sidney Rigdon.
Rigdon chose this date to give an "inflammatory" sermon re: independence of the church from mobocracy. Rigdon "warned of a war of EXTERMINATION between Mormons and their enemies if they were further threatened or harassed." (Leland H. Gentry, Church History, p. 343). Lds writer Max Parkin conceded that Rigdon's June 19 and July 4 messages "further incensed the public against expanding LDS influences." (Church History, p. 348).
If DU & other Mormons were given history questions on understanding the word "extermination" in 1830s America, they would flunk outright! Certainly, what we almost NEVER hear from contemporary Mormon posters is that apparently the first group to threaten the other with "extermination" in Missouri wasn't Gov. Boggs. 'Twas Lds leader Sidney Rigdon four months prior to that!
To add even more to the complexity of why people acted as they did in those Missouri 1830s, the Lds Church History; Selections from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism adds other reasons:
(a) Sidney Rigdon's June 19, 1838 "Salt Sermon" reinforced local Mormon opposition;
(b) Lds militia officer Sampson Avard initiated a vigilante group known as the Danites
(c) Gamecock posted an article a few years back with a few interesting excerpts:
Late October, 1838:
[Author had just cited Lds apostle Bruce McConkie]: McConkie's dramatic rhetoric fails to take into account the fact that the Haun's Mill massacre took place just one week after the battle of Crooked River. [Former BYU History professor] Quinn writes: "A generally unacknowledged dimension of both the EXTERMINATION ORDER and the Haun's Mill massacre, however, is that they resulted from Mormon actions in the Battle of Crooked River. Knowingly or not, MORMONS HAD ATTACKED STATE TROOPS, and this had a cascade effect… upon receiving news of the injuries and death of state troops at Crooked River, Governor Boggs immediately drafted his extermination order on 27 October 1838 because the MORMONS 'HAVE MADE WAR UPON THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE.' Worse, the killing of one Missourian and mutilation of another while he was defenseless at Crooked River led to the mad-dog revenge by Missourians in the slaughter at Haun's Mill" (Origins of Power, p.100).
Secondary source: Violence in Early Mormonism - Was It All Unjust Persecution?
From this same article posted by Gamecock: If violence against a certain faith were the only way to determine truth, then certainly the Mormons themselves would have to recognize that our Christian faith was just as viable as theirs. Can a Mormon, off the top of his head, recall when the last Mormon was killed just because he was a Mormon? Certainly we have heard of Mormons being tragically killed while serving missions, but these cases involve circumstances other than true martyrdom (robberies, car accidents, being mistaken for CIA agents, etc). On the other hand, it is not uncommon to hear of Christians around the world who are being killed because they refuse to denounce their belief that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. While martyrdom seems to be a thing of the past for the Mormons, it is a common occurrence among those who have placed their total trust in the Jesus of the Bible.” (Bill McKeever)
I have no idea what you are talking about.
[snicker]
I saw your response already, I made one too. Yours bears repeating, Here it is, unitalicized (I’m lazy today)
Strange...I can honestly say that the only FReepers I have ever seen question the donations made to keep this website running as though they require an accounting ...are mormons.
Mormons who are satisfied to donate 10% or more to the mormon church which as a policy for many years does NO accounting of the donations made to it.
Mormons, of which a number have commented on this website that they will stop donation if Jim doesn’t bow to their demands in the policies of FR.
Does anyone else see this as strange?
Got that right. To the Mormon, Jews are "Gentiles" -- and Mormondom is Mt. Zion!
o/t but what is “integrated sexuality”?
Other similar Book of Mormon examples:
* ...ye are saved by grace,
AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO." (2 Nephi 25:23) [Mormon, have you done ALL you can do? All YOU can do emotionally, physically, spiritually, etc.??? 'Cause this verse says free grace doesn't kick in UNTIL you do -- that's what the plain meaning of the words "AFTER all" equals.
* And: "...may God grant, in his great fulness, that men might be brought unto repentance and good works, that they might be restored unto grace for grace,
according to their WORKS." (Helaman 12:24)
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
AKJV, 2 Corinthians 10:4
There are more forms of "loving your neighbor" than sweet talk. If a child is bolting into the street and a sixteen wheeler is fast approaching...Most would use their "strong Arm" to yank him away from that road. Regardless if it hurt or not. That Tara, is also "Loving your neighbor".
You are apparently called into the 'Soft-side" of Christianity and that is your calling. But you still need to learn, as with loving your neighbor, some must be 'snatched' away from impending doom with "the Strong-Arm of Christianity"...and leave those who know how to do so to do just that. As you know "there is a time".
God loves to use people, we are the body He uses as He is Spirit. And he uses many various types of individuals at His choosing, some to go into Spiritual Warfare. These do not do so alone, but often times have the 'Strong-Arm' of "prayer warriors" who know how to pray in these matters.
I would not expect God would place a Muslim, new in the faith, on the front lines of battle. In fact I doubt many could go there, with the History of their former belief system. Nobody is saying new Christians should be on the front lines...in fact it is dangerous to send them there as others, who do know what they are doing, end up having to cow-tail to them...they get in the way.
Interesting you would bring up a Muslim though. They are well 'known to imitate Christianity' and are taught how to do so....learn the vocabulary...play the roll etc. But it is one thing to witness to those who do not know Christ....(many on this thread are acquainted with doing so)...it is quite another to go into enemy territory and rescue those trapped by a false and deceptive counterfeit religion or cult.... The terrain one must walk on is far from the same...as are the individuals who oppose those walking there...they protect those they have "kidnapped" and are well trained to do so.
So yes it does take a 'strong arm'..and a close walk with God to carry out His work. And that work can and does require a "Strong-Arm tactic...all in it's time.
TP isn’t as informed as they believe...or the game is on. I chose to ignore that...this time.
***At some point in their lives, “a mormon prophet” tells them what tribe they belong to, they think they are direct descendents of Abraham.****
I once asked this to mormon missionaries. One said he thought he was from the tribe of DAN. I don’t remember what tribe the other one said he was from but he did claim to be a member of the 12 tribes.
and my answer to that was “Volunteers who appreciate how JR runs HIS site” or something like that
Proverbs 27:2
Bible in Basic EnglishFunny how you castigate others (strong arming) for their style of witnessing to those lost in a false belief system"Let another man give you praise, and not your mouth; one who is strange to you, and not your lips."
And you compare them to the demon infested Westboro Baptist Church people that are glad for the deaths of American soldiers (and spew their vitrolic invectives at funerals of Soldiers), say God hates fags, and generally spew hate with no desire to bring anyone to the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
That is despicable and you should be ashamed.
Well I agree GOD can use all people for his purpose, after all he took Saul a rabid Pharisee and enemy of Christians and created Paul a Soldier for Christ in all respects...
It is just my opinion for me, Strong Arm tatic witnessing has never worked....
It is like that Ol’ saying you catch more flies with honey rather than vinegar.....
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