Posted on 12/15/2010 5:17:34 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican
When were our 'souls/spirit' created? That is not even described in Genesis. Yet later given to Isaiah and Ezekiel we are told of the serpent's rebellion. Other places say a third of the 'stars' followed the dragon... And the flesh returns to the dust from which it came and the soul/spirit returns to the Maker that sent it....
Genesis 1:2 describe the casting down/ overthrow of that one who decided he would be god... and we know because of all the evidence left through out this earth something big and catastrophic took place long ago. Moses symbolically calls the serpent the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil'... already planted in the midst of the Garden of God. Ezekiel says that the king of Tyre Tyrus was there in the Garden of Eden.
We today can know of the devil's intentions by what he tempted Christ IF Christ would bend his knee to him... Moses does not describe this event taking place of the fall of that one who was to guard/protect the mercy seat, but Isaiah and Ezekiel do.
Look what Job was asked after words words words until chapter 38 when the LORD told Job to stand up and act like a man... What part of what Job was ask to account for is described in any of Genesis...
It is not until Peter are we told how the LORD measures time.... Christ and others refer to the 'mysteries' since the foundation of this flesh age.
Sure He did, through His laws of physics.
If you think the laws of physics are malleable, well, there’s a place at the local mosque for you.
Nice try, but no. Pretending like you've found some "better" way to interpet the Bible, and all those people who refuse to go along with you are just "scared to unwrap the package" and all that other jazz is not only insulting, but intellectually disingenuous, as well. What's missing here is any good reason why someone should operate under the Bruce Malina method for interpreting Scripture, as opposed to just, well, taking Scripture for what it actually says.
Once again, since you seem to be trying to duck the question - what is the positive evidence from the Scripture FOR an old earth? I mean, since you want to talk about biblical literacy and all that, what Scripture can you point to to demonstrate an old earth and that God "used evolution" to create the universe we see around us?
Okay, since you seem to be under the impression that you're a scientist, won't you be so good as to tell us how you think "the laws of physics" prove that the earth is old? I mean, without having to rely on unsubstantiated a priori arguments, that is.
If you think the laws of physics are malleable, well, there’s a place at the local mosque for you.
It's not so much that they're malleable as that they are so often misunderstood by the dunderheads who come onto Free Republic, pretending like they know something about science, and try to stump for evolution on here.
the Bible was not written as a science text. It is God’s word to mankind delivered in manner in which mankind, at that stage of development, can understand. Keep in mind that nowhere in the Bible does it address the age of the earth. MAN has calculated based upon OUR ounderstanding of what God has told us. Not a strong basis to formulate argument. The Bible does not address extint species. It is not relevant to His word. God does not address life on other planets. God does not address evolution (I do not believe in it as it is an unproven theory) but the book is still open. All of this is just a bunch of distraction that keep us from God’s intent for our lives.
Before you waste too much time....
The person you are posting to not only believes in a Young Earth, he believes in a centrally located Earth, one that has the massive Sun in orbit around it!
As such any appeal to reason or evidence is going to fall upon deaf ears.
Is the blowout area in the Indian Ocean?
> “When were our ‘souls/spirit’ created?”
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On the time of our conception.
> “Yet later given to Isaiah and Ezekiel we are told of the serpent’s rebellion. Other places say a third of the ‘stars’ followed the dragon”
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Satan’s rebellion was after creation was complete. That had to be so or God would have been a liar when he stated that the creation was “very good.”
The one third of the stars was the third of the watchers that joined Satan in rebellion.
> “and we know because of all the evidence left through out this earth something big and catastrophic took place long ago”
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That was described in Genesis 6, the flood judgement that created the continents, the mountains, and the fossile beds of creatures that died in the boiling water that rose up out of “the great deep.”
That hot ocean soon resulted in nearly endless precipitation, that produced what we now call the “ice age.”
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> “ Moses symbolically calls the serpent the ‘tree of the knowledge of good and evil’”
Nonsense!
Satan was not the tree, he was the temptor.
Try to avoid all that “New Age” nonsense; it just leads you away from God.
> “What part of what Job was ask to account for is described in any of Genesis?”
Every bit of it. All of creation is described in Genesis.
> “Ezekiel says that the king of Tyre Tyrus was there in the Garden of Eden.”
That was Satan. There are several places where Satan is equated with Tyre.
> “It is not until Peter are we told how the LORD measures time”
Peter’s words had absolutely nothing to do with how time is measured; he was explaining how the event known as “The Day of the Lord” would last one thousand years, as it was later described in Revelation.
“Once again, since you seem to be trying to duck the question - what is the positive evidence from the Scripture FOR an old earth?” ~ Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Once again we’re back to Scriptural “interpretation”, aren’t we.
Kurt Wise: “Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. “
Towers Online - The News Service of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary http://www.towersonline.net/story.php?grp=news&id=344
April 13, 2006 By Jeff Robinson
Excerpts:
“Trustees at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on April 11 unanimously approved the creation of two new theological study centersthe Center for Theology and the Arts, and the Center for Theology and Law, during the board’s annual spring meeting.
Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said the new study centers aim at equipping pastors and church leaders to think biblically about pivotal issues which dominate contemporary culture.
“One of the ways we want to lead Southern Baptists is through helping evangelicals and Southern Baptists in particular to engage some of the most critical issues of our day,” Mohler said.-
“This is not a time for Christians to be out-thought by the world, but in general that is what happens. We find the church behind the times in thinking about some of the most crucial issues of our day.”
Mohler also announced the appointment of two new faculty members to lead the centers. [snip] ...
...Mohler..named Kurt Wise as the new director for Southern’s Center for Theology and Science, and professor of theology and science. Wise currently serves on the faculty of Bryan College in Dayton, Tenn., where he is also director of the Center for Origins Research.
Wise earned both a doctor of philosophy and master of arts in paleontology from Harvard University. Wise replaces William Dembski...
“With the addition of Kurt Wise, we are recognizing that creation is a ground zero theological crisis point right now in American culture and even in our churches,” Moore said. [snip] ..
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“Conflicts between Science and the Bible arise from either a lack of scientific knowledge or a defective understanding of the Bible.” ~ Moses Maimonides
What you said!
bttt
> “Keep in mind that nowhere in the Bible does it address the age of the earth.”
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That is false. - The age of the Earth is the resultant of the geneologies that are precisely recorded in the Bible. This is a very strong basis because it is there to precisely define Christ’s exact relationship to Adam.
Belief in the inerrance of God’s word is very important to our relationship to God.
How can we believe that he was deceptive in his word (utterl;y without motivation or need) and still believe in him?
God did address evolution, more than 100 times in his word he stated plainly that it did not happen. He told us that all of his creatures reproduced “after their own kind.”
> “God does not address life on other planets”
Because there is no life on other planets. Peter says in no uncertain terms that the universe is to be destroyed “with fervant heat” when the millenium is finished. Why would he put life on other planets, just to destroy it? The entire creation was for him to select a people to live in his presence for eternity. All else will be burned up.
Just because you have not studied God’s word does not mean that the knowledge you lack is lacking in it. Read the word and you will see that all that you stated in your post is false.
I didn’t realize that you were an unbeliever.
I had no idea that God was posting on Free Republic.
Interesting to note that you think you're able to discern the wheat from the tares.
An unbeliever is not necessarily a tare; the Lord may tap you on the shoulder at any time and say “follow me.”
But a believer does not doubt the word.
I agree. But I think that the 'knowledge' the serpent whispered to Eve (that she could enjoy the physical pleasures of mating any time she wanted, and not just when God instructed her to) was the 'fruit', and the 'eating' of the 'fruit' was listening to those whispers.
AND, I don't think it really happened like that, but that the story is REPRESENTATIVE of something that is much more complicated, and took a long time to occur which had to do with the loss of a 'direct' connection to 'GOD' as we realized what we could do with our 'free will' (the veil between the conscious and sub-conscious).
As I say, opinions vary.
and that's the truth!
Why not just be honest and admit that it is your interpretation of "the Word" that you use to decide who is and who isn't "a believer".
Either that or the Pacific Ocean. Depends on the angle the meteor hit.
Now, that is one POSSIBLE explanation. There could have been multiple meteor strikes, I don't think we know for sure. But, it would explain the formation of the seafloor around those areas and some of the stories in the Bible about creation.
And how does the bread change into the Body of Christ?
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