Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Help yourself to my home page.
However, you’ve been around long enough to have read the answer dozens of times.
No slam intended , I did not and have not read the article or the thread. It was simple a response appearing on the top of the front page ... tacky response, indeed. So I made a statement of truth.
Sit created an uproar.
To each his own church and belief.
Hey....she answered ME that Mary did those sins I named and FAR WORSE! Good freaking grief!! What kind of Christian thinks this about Mary?
Went there, skimmed that.
Mostly posts cut and pasted from Alamo Girl.
Perhaps I missed the part where you wrote what denomination you are and if you go to church.
I have not read every post you have ever put here on this site so if you have addressed this before I have not read it.
Is this a problem for you? You seem to have lots of time and energy to post disrespectful pictures, perhaps you could take just a few seconds to answer my questions.
In case you don’t remember them:
What denomination are you? Do you go to church?
You are mixing apples and oranges here. The issue isn't that Panagia is rendered a goddess by the IC so much as it is that the doctrine makes her ontologically different from all the rest of mankind, She is thus not "human". If she is not "human", then her Son is not True Man...and that is heresy. Differing concepts of what exactly the Sin of Adam is or does to us is the other problem. Blessed Augustine's notion of Original Sin as being a "macula" on the soul of all mankind leads inevitably to the IM because, as I said earlier, the idea is that Christ cannot be contained in a "defective" vessel, borne by a human mother...and we are back to the heresy which the doctrine mandates.
"Several fathers suggest she was wholly without sin, personal or original."
So far as I know, no Eastern Father ever held that the Most Holy Theotokos was free from the effects of the Sin of Adam or Original Sin however denominated. A number felt that she was sinless through her lifetime while others disagreed, but those beliefs had nothing to do with her being ontologically different from the rest of us. In fact, it is precisely because she like all the rest of us was subject to the effects of the Sin of Adam that she is so great an example for all of us. Why should we care about a woman whom God made from conception perfect and unable to sin...unless she is a goddess whom we are supposed to worship?
Yeah.
I could.
I’ve been in China a lot of years . . .
Many people there don’t think that someone they meet on the street deserves their name, much less their religion.
Most Freepers are keenly aware, however, that I’m a Trinitarian Pentecostal Dispy.
If you expect responses to your trashing that in the least . . . dream on.
That is simply a lie. She did NOT say that.
“The bible says if you break ONE of the commandments you have broken them all (Jam 2:10)... so if she every talked back to her mother, she would be an adulterer and murder and a thief.. just as we all are.. “
Just ANSWER the simple question please....what religion are you? freepers have asked you.
armydoc said it...sorry.
Jesus said that to hate in your heart equaled murder.
To look on a woman with lust was equal to adultery.
Mary perhaps could have been perfect enough to not act out sin, but if the thoughts and intents of her heart were not completely pure, she sinned those sins.
Sin isn’t just outward actions.
God looks at all of sin the same. All it takes is the breaking of one commandment to be guilty of them all.
James 2:10-11 “ For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. “
Mary sinned otherwise she wouldn’t have needed a savior.
Thanks. I misunderstood one sentence in your comment and based my reply on that. I don’t want to take this thread too far off course so I think I’ll leave this discussion behind. I do appreciate that the EO honor and venerate the BVM even though they consider the Catholic Church’s formulation of the IC as heresy. I know that disagreement does not arise out of EO disparging or slandering the Virgin Mary.
I do believe that the Catholic view of original sin may be too much influenced by Augustine but the Eastern teaching is gaining more and more understanding and acceptance as seen in that passage of the Catechism. It remains though that we do not believe man to have been totally depraved as a result of the fall.
May the Lord who gives all life ever watch over you and bless you.
“Most Freepers are keenly aware, however, that I’m a Trinitarian Pentecostal Dispy.
If you expect responses to your trashing that in the least . . . dream on.”
I would not even think about trashing your beliefs. Just because you trash mine.
I was just curious because I wasn’t sure where your beliefs originate.
Feel free to trash away.
Beliefs that can’t stand the heat of the kitchen aren’t worth much.
Just don’t expect compliant responses.
The events in Genesis were written down by Moses. Did he receive these in writing? If not how can we know that the oral telling were not changed over time? How can we trust them? We can trust them because in cultures that rely on oral transmission of their sacred doctrines the exact telling is most painstakingly preserved so as to not corrupt the teachings.
Remember 2 Thessalonians 2:15 “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter”
What was taught by the Apostles is to be held firm no matter the instrument of the teaching. Those that followed the Apostles followed this admonishment and it is from this we have the Apostolic Tradition of the Church.
You like many others try to put a contemporary mind on that of an early Christian. It does not make sense. You may have no trust in oral teachings they did not hold to that view. Remember they did not have the tools of mass communication we have now and they had to deal with a populace that did not have access to written materials.
Why on earth would I want to trash your beliefs? I can’t even find anything about your denomination on the web.
Guess it doesn’t have a web presence. Which is a shame since there is no way to learn more.
Thank-you.
May Christ our true God who rose from the dead, as a good, loving, and merciful God, have mercy upon you, through the intercessions of His most pure and Holy Mother; the power of the precious and life-giving Cross; the protection of the honorable, bodiless powers of heaven; the supplications of the honorable, glorious, prophet, and forerunner John the Baptist; of the holy, glorious, and praiseworthy apostles; of the holy, glorious, and triumphant martyrs; of our saintly and God inspired Fathers; of the holy and righteous ancestors of God Joachim and Anna; of Saint Nicholas whose memory we commemorate today, and all the saints, and save you for He is gracious and loves mankind.
Excuse me, but do not make this argument about me. Second of all, RnMomof7 was the one who made the issue out of the abbreviation. When Ann Archy asked her what she meant by “Jam.,” RN asked her if she had read the Bible, and in a follow-up to Cronos, posted the names of all the books in the Protestant/Reformed canon of the Bible and their apparent abbreviations and claimed that their unfamiliarity with her abbreviation was an example of Catholic’s “biblical illiteracy.” All I did was correct her.
Can you imagine ANY child (except Jesus, of course) who never committed a willful act? The whole idea is preposterous! :)
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.