Was Mary Sinless?

The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

[metmom]

No, she was not. Christs line goes through Rahab, I mean come on folks, only a Catholic could believe such a thing, this is why the ascension of Mary came about (and very recently) since they think she was without sin they had to have her acend and never die, I feel sorry for those that believe such things.

You really stepped in it now.....

Incoming....... (I'm sure).....

[anniegetyourgun]

I haven’t been on these threads for a long time. I’m sorry that I did...I forgot how many engage in ad homimen discussions, rather than a discussion.

[RnMomof7]

Do rules matter to you?Do you know what the posting rules are here??

[metmom]

Using that logic, it would be logical to conclude that Mary's mother was sinless as well. We couldn't have the sinless "Ark of the Covenant" be carried in the womb of a sinful human, could we?

If that were the case, then the same miracle which kept Mary sinless while being carried in the womb of her sinful mother could have kept Jesus sinless as He was carried in the womb of His sinful mother.

Sin doesn't rub off on people. It's not contagious with physical contact.

[narses]

What rule are you claiming has been broken?

[jafojeffsurf]

Interesting logic, I guess this means Jesus sinned then right? For is he not part of “All”?

Paul didn’t think it necessary to point out the exception of Jesus in this Romans passage. Probably had something to do with the multiplicity of other passages that explicitly claimed Jesus’ sinlessness. It would be redundant. However, if Mary was indeed sinless, it would have been very logical to claim her as an exception here, as there are no explicit (or even valid implicit) claims to her sinlessness elsewhere in scripture.”

So then my only question is for someone to say scripture only then imply a unwritten meaning is that not doublespeak and what they accuse Catholics of?

[kabumpo]

No, the Immaculate Conception means that Mary was conceived without (original) sin.

[Grizzled Bear]

Interesting logic, I guess this means Jesus sinned then right? For is he not part of “All”?

Jesus IS God. Mary is not God.

Also - 2 Corintians 5:21 - God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Let me know if the passage confuses you. I'd be happy to explain that "Trinity thingy."

[RnMomof7]

and rule breaking ..but hey if you are trying to slander a protestant all things are fair I guess

[Politicalmom]

Oh, please. That is NOT “trashing”.

I happen to think that Mary was faithful to God, and was probably a kind, wonderful, loving woman, since God chose her to raise His Son, but she wasn’t perfect. Only God is perfect.

God thinks that saving we fallible human beings was worth the life of His Son. Why would he think a fallible human being wasn’t worthy of being His Son’s mother?

I also don’t think that God would reward her faithfulness by requiring her to relinquish having other children, especially in a culture which judged the worth of a woman by how many children she had.

David was a man after God’s own heart, but he was an adulterous murderer.

[Sidebar Moderator]

Please, stop the thread hopping.

[metmom]

“But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin...”

Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther’s Works

So? Or do you now recognize Luther as infallible when speaking on matters of faith and morals?

[Bayard]

Someone asked it the condition ofmarys soul mattered in their salvation? Does it matter in yours? Redirect that question, does the condition of Mary's soul play a part in understanding her son? Because I believe just as you do that Jesus saved us both; I do not believe that Jesus was a limited fount of salvation and grace, especially as towards someone so important as his mother.

[RnMomof7]

You bless me so

[mountn man]

Don't bother me, I've left the thread.

The first time I've ever been this ticked off to leave.

If I would have been in the same room with you, you'd be in the hospital, and I would be in jail.

Don't respond!!!

[anniegetyourgun]

As you know, salvation is entirely dependent upon the finished work of Christ - the only One Who can save. Mary - like other biblical figures of faith are great examples for us in our daily walk with Him.

[metmom]

Interesting logic, I guess this means Jesus sinned then right? For is he not part of “All”?

Just wow....

Do Catholics really believe that Jesus sinned now?

[gitmo]

RnMomof7 suggested that she might have been and that such would mean nothing. Or words to that effect.

Which post was that in?