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Catholics and the Next America
First Things ^ | 9/17/2010 | Charles J Chaput

Posted on 09/18/2010 8:26:32 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
" Does the company you take a paycheck from know you spend so much time on their computer?"

Its my company.

401 posted on 09/22/2010 9:22:55 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And of course, there’s the internet bill, the electricity to run the computer, ....


402 posted on 09/22/2010 9:24:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law; metmom; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Quix; TSgt; HarleyD; wmfights; RnMomof7; ...
It's not fiction, but fact.

PROTESTANTISM IN BRAZIL

"Followers of Protestantism are rising in number and if the evangelical Christian movement continues to spread at the pace it has in recent years, statistics suggest that by 2022 Catholics will be a minority in a country that was about 90 percent Catholic in 1980..."

Thank you, God, for your many blessings.

404 posted on 09/22/2010 9:26:44 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom

The home that houses it all, the food on the table, the beds to be slept in...


405 posted on 09/22/2010 9:31:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg

Hit a nerve, did she?

That’s not even a personal question; it about goes without saying that people own cars.

The question might be better, *How many?*. But that would be personal.


406 posted on 09/22/2010 9:31:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law

Leave the thread.


407 posted on 09/22/2010 9:33:34 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: editor-surveyor; Iscool; OLD REGGIE

I meant to ping you to the good news in post 404, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2592022/posts?page=404#404


408 posted on 09/22/2010 9:34:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Such Christian charity......


409 posted on 09/22/2010 9:34:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Running On Empty
It’s would be unfortunate for anyone to assume that their own personal “Road to Damascus” is more authentic or more spiritually pure and correct than that of the Christian next to him.

I agree completely! That is why I do not pretend to know what is in a person's heart. I can only be faithful to the calling to preach the gospel to everyone, to speak the truth in love and to give an answer in gentleness and respect to anyone who asks me of the reason for the "hope that is in me". What a person does with the Gospel is between them and the Lord - he alone sees the heart.

410 posted on 09/22/2010 9:40:26 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It’s unlimited.

What I know of Catholic lifestyle, though first hand observation, does not bear witness to the denial of oneself of much of anything for the good of others.

Lent is about it, and I know people who’ve given up things like liver for Lent.

But nothing long term.

Besides, for all Mother Teresa gave up personally, she had no assurance of her salvation, apparently by her own admission.


411 posted on 09/22/2010 9:42:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change

LOL

I meant 60 years :-)

Sometimes it feels like 600 though.


412 posted on 09/22/2010 9:43:37 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: metmom

It’s possible that this is a very limited view of Catholics.

You are not describing the Catholics that I know.


413 posted on 09/22/2010 9:48:39 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

AMEN! AMEN!


414 posted on 09/22/2010 9:48:51 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Religion Moderator

Ooops Sorry. Posted before seeing that down the page a ways.


416 posted on 09/22/2010 9:52:01 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Running On Empty; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; boatbums; bkaycee; count-your-change
It’s possible that this is a very limited view of Catholics. You are not describing the Catholics that I know.

Standard boilerplate answer number......

Simply a variation on the theme of *That's not what the Catholic church REALLY teaches.*

On the contrary, I was raised Catholic in a very large extended Catholic family on both sides and grew up in a heavily Catholic area. You'd be hard pressed to find a Catholic who would deny himself his beer or cigs, or anything else for that matter, without direct divine intervention demanding it so. If they can justify holding on to those, they will not deny themselves the more basic necessities of life.

And, yes, these are (were, in some cases) faithful, observant, practicing Catholics.

All one has to do is look at NO and see that that is not out of the ordinary for those who call themselves Catholic.

In virtually every aspect of Catholicism, there is a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon between what FReepers put forth that Catholicism is (really "should be" or what they'd like it to be) and what the reality of what Catholicism in practice is.

The fairy tale version of Catholicism FRoman Catholics put forth does NOT mesh with reality. It can only exist in their minds as it does not exist in reality in the physical world.

417 posted on 09/22/2010 10:11:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The fairy tale version of Catholicism FRoman Catholics put forth does NOT mesh with reality. It can only exist in their minds as it does not exist in reality in the physical world.

People can convince themselves of anything.

Anything.

We've got God's holy word that clearly and resolutely tells us that "there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus."

And knowing that verse, Roman Catholics can STILL say, with a straight face, "Mary and the saints are mediators between God and men."

Jesus was clear about this kind of delusion. He didn't say people are confused or ignorant or leaning one way or another. Jesus said people are blind to the truth because the truth is not in them.

No doubt there are Roman Catholics who love Jesus Christ alone and thus are saved. But they are saved in spite of Rome, not because of Rome.

418 posted on 09/22/2010 10:24:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
I was very sad to read that about Mother Theresa. I cannot even begin to see how a person could devote so much of their very lives and health to attend to the least of those in the world. She HAD to have had a special strength and grace from the Lord to be called to do that work and to stay with it for so long. I must say I cannot understand her ambivalence about sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ - God brought these very people to her so that she could minister to them and I KNOW it had more to do with just their physical ailments and needs. She certainly embodied the love of Christ in her actions and that alone spoke volumes I just don't get the missed chances to speak of the savior's life, death and resurrection to people who had so little time left. To share with them the hope of salvation that only comes through faith in the Grace of God.

I certainly can grasp despair and feelings of doubt and loneliness. We all go through those times, but for her to suffer so for so many, many years is just painful to think about. I pray that by her opening up to others in her writings, the Lord brought strong Christian brothers and sisters as friends to lift her up and lighten her load. I hope they were able to encourage her and that the Lord reached through the fog of despair and gave her peace at last. Jesus said that he is near to those that are of a broken spirit. I hope and pray she is at rest with him now.

419 posted on 09/22/2010 10:28:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: metmom; Running On Empty
In virtually every aspect of Catholicism, there is a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon between what FReepers put forth that Catholicism is (really "should be" or what they'd like it to be) and what the reality of what Catholicism in practice is.

The fairy tale version of Catholicism FRoman Catholics put forth does NOT mesh with reality. It can only exist in their minds as it does not exist in reality in the physical world.

Are some Catholics hypocrites? Sure. Were the Catholics in your circle hypocrites? You say they were. But if I were you (thanks be to God I am not) I wouldn't judge anyone else for what you see or don't see of their Lenten observances. As an adult convert, I was taught to make a meaningful Lenten sacrifice and keep it between myself and God for the most part.

Considering your outspoken criticism of all things Catholic, I do not imagine any serious person would voluntarily share something so personal with you, just so they could be fodder for ridicule.

You are not describing the Catholics I know, either.

420 posted on 09/22/2010 10:36:21 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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