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Catholics and the Next America
First Things ^ | 9/17/2010 | Charles J Chaput

Posted on 09/18/2010 8:26:32 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: OpusatFR

Quebec is Liberal, European loving, Marxist, socialist and mostly composed of Catholics and atheists. Is that better?


241 posted on 09/21/2010 1:48:16 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: FourtySeven
However this does not negate the Catholic claim that this Scripture indicates the Church will remain visibly intact throughout history, until His return. This is due to the simply logical consequence of a victorious Church: it cannot be both victorious over evil, yet presumably at the same time, fall into apostasy.

I do believe the THE church of Jesus Christ will remain visible and intact... The word of God indicates He always has a remnant of His Own

The question again is what is the church?

The Roman Catholic church has no leg to stand on when claiming to be the New Testament church .

Scripture indicates that the church is composed of believers.. One is not saved by the church , the church is composed of the saved.

242 posted on 09/21/2010 1:49:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: OpusatFR
here's a breakdowm from Wiki:

Quebec is unique among the provinces in its overwhelmingly Roman Catholic population. This is a legacy of colonial times when only Roman Catholics were permitted to settle in New France. The 2001 census showed the population to be 90.3% Christian (in contrast to 77% for the whole country) with 83.4% Catholic Christian (including 83.2% Roman Catholic); 4.7% Protestant Christian (including 1.2% Anglican, 0.7% United Church; and 0.5% Baptist); 1.4% Orthodox Christian (including 0.7% Greek Orthodox); and 0.8% other Christian; as well as 1.5% Muslim; 1.3% Jewish; 0.6% Buddhist; 0.3% Hindu; and 0.1% Sikh. An additional 5.8% of the population said they had no religious affiliation (including 5.6% who stated that they had no religion at all).

243 posted on 09/21/2010 1:54:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: annalex

“Future America is either Catholic or barbaric. In my humble opinion.”

You act as if those are mutually exclusive. I suggest you look at Mexico. It is both Catholic AND barbaric.

I suggest, and evidence supports, that if you ever accomplish an America without Protestant religious tolerance, you will get a Catholic and barbaric country.


244 posted on 09/21/2010 1:55:22 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: 1000 silverlings

Jewish people do not cease being Jewish even when they see Christ as their Messiah. In fact their Jewishness is all the more crystal clear when they do See Christ as their Messiah.

I think it is a serious mistake to assume Jews somehow cease being Jews....and that is what it seemed to me you were speaking about and why I questioned your statement.


245 posted on 09/21/2010 1:57:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
That doesn't mean that it's a truth taught by and supported with Scripture.

Exactly .. one of the things I have noted over the years this teaching is essential if the RCC wants to keep people chained to the church..

They alone have the magical mystery bread to distribute.. and if you leave the "church" you will never have it again

Lets look at that

IF that was a true doctrine there is not one whiff of scriptural evidence that it would be confined to only the Roman church

But in fact scripture does not support the doctrine but it is used to scare people into staying.

Some years ago I knew several Catholic women that attended and AOG every Sunday , they openly professed that they were saved and trusting in Christ..but every Saturday they went to mass..so they could receive Christ

I found it sad that they felt bound to Rome on the grounds of faulty doctrine...

246 posted on 09/21/2010 1:57:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: wagglebee
The key person you need to be familiar with is Berengarius of Tours. His heresy (denying a change in the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ) resulted in this decree of the Lateran council 4 (this was, apparently after local councils in 1073 and 1078, where Berengarius recanted his position, did not finally resolve the heresy).

But, as with all Church Councils since the Council of Jerusalem, as recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, these were held, not to establish some sort of doctrine, but to resolve controversies that crop up.

247 posted on 09/21/2010 1:59:54 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: 1000 silverlings

The snark record doesn’t give you any points for non-obfuscation.

It’s a pity that not one of you are able to discuss Chaput’s message in any manner without having the entire thread devolve into a stupid commentary on the same idiotic set of ideologues.

This is his message: “And the most important choice we can make is both terribly simple and terribly hard: to actually live what the Church teaches, to win the hearts of others by our witness, and to renew the soul of our country with the courage of our own Christian faith and integrity. There is no more revolutionary act.”

He had a message to all Christians, but some, like the Calvinists on this thread, and others with an axe to grind, would rather pick at wounds than attempt to find a way to fight the secular influences which in many cases are simply demonic.

Well, I don’t intend to hang individually, so I will exit this thread and find those Protestants, Jews, Orthodox, and others who I have talked to in the past who are interested in actually fighting the worst of what is coming.


248 posted on 09/21/2010 2:01:05 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
Quebec, a province made up of mostly Catholics and atheists considers itself distinct from the rest of Canada, and Canada agrees. Quebec has been a hot-bed of terrorists, Montreal is the port of arrival for Mafia members and other evil doers to enter into Canada and then into the US, phone scams targeting your bank account thrive from there, and the Hell's angels run all the drug and prostitution rackets.
249 posted on 09/21/2010 2:03:32 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: markomalley

Those who continue to embrace these heresies (and as I mentioned before gnostic denial of the Real Presence, and a synthesis of Arianism and Nestorianism is endemic among Protestants), seem to believe that nothing existed before the Church addressed it formally.

This belief that Transubstantiation was unknown before the 13th century is laughable when you consider that the Orthodox also accept it as dogma and the Great Schism was in 1054.


250 posted on 09/21/2010 2:05:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Don’t you get it at all?

The silliness going on on this thread means that division keeps the Christian community from fighting the real enemy. It isn’t each other.

The stupidity of it all guarantees that the demonic WILL be ascendant.

As long as division is present, the demonic is active.


251 posted on 09/21/2010 2:07:09 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Well you wanted to make it seem like a colony founded or influenced by Protestants were all necessarily demonic and ones founded by Catholics would be anything but. fortunately I’m here to educate you as to the truth


252 posted on 09/21/2010 2:07:46 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

“...fortunately I’m here to educate you as to the truth.”

That’s a pretty tall and prideful statement.

I can see that y’all will just continue to give the devil his due.

Adios.


253 posted on 09/21/2010 2:13:01 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR; 1000 silverlings
Catholic atheists! Is that the same thing as Satanic Calvinists?

Can Catholics not stop misrepresenting what non-Catholics say? Ever?

Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension saw the *and* in that sentence. You make yourself look petty and like a fool for implying that he said *Catholic atheists*.

254 posted on 09/21/2010 2:25:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

It’s apparently too complex for some.....


255 posted on 09/21/2010 2:26:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

It’s had a long history of being a Catholic stronghold.


256 posted on 09/21/2010 2:27:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Religion Moderator

“You make yourself look petty and like a fool for implying that he said *Catholic atheists*.”

Let’s get an opinion on personal attacks here.


257 posted on 09/21/2010 2:28:34 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: metmom
Can Catholics not stop misrepresenting what non-Catholics say? Ever?

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LOL!

258 posted on 09/21/2010 2:30:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OpusatFR; 1000 silverlings
The silliness going on on this thread means that division keeps the Christian community from fighting the real enemy.

You are in no position to complain about silliness on this thread when you are a regular contributor to it as with YOUR snarky comment about *Catholic atheists*.

259 posted on 09/21/2010 2:31:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I’m here to point out silliness.

What’s your excuse?


260 posted on 09/21/2010 2:32:13 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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