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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Natural Law

Man up


8,182 posted on 10/02/2010 9:23:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"we can do NOTHING THAT WILL "IMPRESS " God"

You have to make up you mind because I can't keep up with the flip flops and spinning. It's like a religion authored by David Axelrod and explained by Bob Gibbs. You said: .. doing good works, being nice, helping neighbors is all good stuff.. but it saves no one..not the doer or the receiver.. it gives no testimony to Jesus Christ if the words are not spoken good...

I simply asked if one then has to talk their way into heaven and if that applies equally to the double predestined elect and unelect. I really want to know if all one has to do is "nag thy neighbor" and if actually acting on the commands of Jesus as examples if nothing else, are not a necessary or even accepted form of witness.

8,183 posted on 10/02/2010 9:29:40 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7
So you are saying that you have to talk your way into heaven, unless you are elect then you can keep your mouth shut and if you are not elect nothing you say matters. Does this mean that the beatitudes were some kind of practical joke Jesus was playing on the assembled masses or was He presenting them with the spiritual equivalent of a Gordian Knot that no one could actually solve except the Calvinists who would not emerge for another 1500 years and who were not referred to in any prophecy?

Rediculous doubletalk.

8,184 posted on 10/02/2010 9:32:31 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: RnMomof7
Man up for petes sake

Apparently the RM has agreed with you. Tou should have no difficulty reading how others don't agree with your language, which some of us find unnecessarily graphic.

8,185 posted on 10/02/2010 9:47:01 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
BTW we are grown ups here and can actually say menstruation with out running from it

Yes. We all can. Most of us find it unnecessary to say, "filthy bloody menstrual rags," though. After all, it's a normal function and we all know what it is.

8,186 posted on 10/02/2010 9:50:18 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
"Apparently the RM has agreed with you."

It appears the standard isn't so much what is being said, or even how it is being said. I appears to be more about who is saying it and even more about whom it is being said to. I just need to recalibrate. As a Catholic I don't expect fair treatment from the secular world or the so-called Christians. The anti-Catholic biases are so ingrained and institutionalized in our culture that many don't even realize they are guilty of it.

I realize that it is "bovine dung", but even the etymology of the modern cognate of that term contains an anti-Catholic slur. The word "bull" is a derogatory and offensive reference to Papal edicts.

8,187 posted on 10/02/2010 10:03:21 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Natural Law; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
--YOU--
A
VIGOROUS
CHAMPION
OF
THE
CONVOLUTIONS
AND
BRAZEN INCONSISTENCIES
OF THE
VATICAN ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING
ARE
CALLING FOR
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Wonders never cease!

8,188 posted on 10/02/2010 10:14:03 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Yes. We all can. Most of us find it unnecessary to say, "filthy bloody menstrual rags," though. After all, it's a normal function and we all know what it is.

Still practicing being
MORE PRISSY
than
GOD,
I see.
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GOD IS HOLY,
INFINITELY HOLY.
HE IS
NOT
PRISSY
AT ALL.

8,189 posted on 10/02/2010 10:17:59 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; Religion Moderator; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...
I believe the RM has a warranted and well executed interest in helping us keep our language family friendly.

Years ago, I had a post pulled for using the Biblical term in, I thought, a fitting way. I think, IIRC, a few years later, the RM noted that Scriptures would be allowed AS SCRIPTURE.

In our culture at large, the language has been degraded or has evolved in an 'earthier' direction--perhaps language normall does that--particularly when the culture is going to blazes in a hand basket so rapidly.

Personally, I think Scriptural terms would be fittingly used in a Scriptural way. Though that could easily get into endless arguments, I think the RM'S 'MERE' OPINION SHOULD BE ACCEPTED BY ONE AND ALL WITHOUT ANY QUIBBLE WHATSOEVER. . . . Unless, perhaps, the quibbler is willing to pay the RM a salary of say $3,500/month.

I like the Message version of Scripture so much because it rings true to my sense of God in Scripture--very down to earth, practical, involved with our nitty gritties of life and NOT AT ALL PRISSY--not at all fussed up about shallow things . . . the INFINITE PURE HOLY GOD IN THE RAW MANIFESTATIONS OF HIS POWER AND PRESENCE without a microgram of prissy-ness. That's MY GOD WHOM I LOVE TO SERVE. HE IS REAL AND REALLY RELIABLY GOD, FAITHFUL TO THE NTH DEGREE. WHAT A TRUE 'MATE' IN THE AUSSIE MEANING OF THE TERM.

Pontificated, rabbit fur lined diplo-speak weasel words are more things to be validly allergic to, imho. I think Christ demonstrated a similar attitude--sometimes with his raw language.

Sometimes, raw, earthy language knocks the starch, the shallowness, the prissy-ness out of us and out of our high-horse mentalities and sensibilities. Humility is good.

By the same token, we ought to avoid any side-trip into the gutter of the modern gutteral communication. That may seem like a tricky dance back and forth across a thin line. I don't think it needs to be. We can tell and certainly the RM can tell when we have decided to drench our phrasing in the gutter and when we are using a Biblical emphasis on an authentic Scriptural meaning and truth that God's Spirit first authored.

8,190 posted on 10/02/2010 10:28:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
That is exactly the level of intellectual contributions to the dialog I expected from you. You are very difficult to underestimate.
8,191 posted on 10/02/2010 10:41:15 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-tha'ni?" that is, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

And? How do you know what Jesus meant with this question? How do you know who He directed it to?

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

He directed it to His Father.

Jesus on the cross was fully human. He felt the same pain, suffering and abondment as any other human. He was not yet with His Father.

8,192 posted on 10/02/2010 10:43:58 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Natural Law
When potty language has a direct Biblical reference, it is allowed.

Do not finesse the guidelines by using the same or similar language without a direct Biblical reference.

8,193 posted on 10/02/2010 10:52:20 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MarkBsnr
When the (male) Bishop is subordinate to Sister Agnes you'll have a point.

When Sister Agnes gives instruction to a male, I'll have a point. I've been instructed by Sister Agnes, and since I have fathered six children, I'll use that as proof of being male.

And you are a Bishop?

In the meantime women are second class citizens in the Catholic Church.

Does that mean if I cannot bear children I am second class in nature?


What in the world are you talking about? I am talking about women!

A woman can be President of the United States. She has equality.

A woman cannot be Pope,or even a Priest, in the Catholic Church. She has been relegated to a secondary status.

8,194 posted on 10/02/2010 10:54:49 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Natural Law

8,195 posted on 10/02/2010 10:56:53 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MarkBsnr; stfassisi
In the totally depraved mind of a calvinist everything natural and normal is thought of as dirty

You're just saying that because it is true.

Not only is it untrue, it is a statement of pure hate. Sad!

Substitute the word "Catholic" for "Calvinist" in the above rant and your horde of "defenders" would be flooding the thread with "anti-Catholic", "Hater", "Catholic Hater", and the like.

You'd even have your friend

complaining.

8,196 posted on 10/02/2010 11:10:16 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Quix

nice font!


8,197 posted on 10/02/2010 11:12:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Thought you might like it.

It’s clear, clean yet artsy.


8,198 posted on 10/02/2010 11:16:19 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Religion Moderator
"Do not finesse the guidelines by using the same or similar language without a direct Biblical reference."

Since this is the Religion Forum and not the Christian Forum am I restricted to using only Christian scriptural references or am I permitted to use scriptural references from any major religion such as the following:

- Hindu Ramayana, Kamasutra, and Upanishads, the Samaritan Memar Markah,

- The Druze Rasahl al-Hikma,

- The Koran,

- The Druid Lebor Feasa Rúnda (Book of Secret Knowledge),

- The Buddhist books such as the Tipitaka, Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, the Kalamas,

- The Confucian Analects, The Book of Odes, and the Chinese Mahayana Sutras,

- The Book of Mormon, the Book of Moroni, a Pearl of Great Price,

- The Shinto Kojiki texts,

- The Jainist Tirthankaras?

(I had a Philosophy Minor)

8,199 posted on 10/02/2010 11:27:28 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Judith Anne; RnMomof7

if it’s so objectionable why do you insist on repeating it


8,200 posted on 10/02/2010 11:27:48 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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