Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.
she was not crucified...
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.
nor was she raised from the dead in bodily form...
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.
and she certainly is not the hand that moves in our life today...
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested she was.
Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth...
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested otherwise.
Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth... and therefore I stand with God that it is His Son we are to worship...and Him alone.
Show me where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested otherwise.
(And just so we're clear, when I ask you to show me where the Catholic Church has said something, that's exactly what I mean. Solid documentation, not some garbage you read in a comic book.)
I find it INCREDIBLY IRONIC that some anti-Catholics are going to such great lengths to agree with this threads premise, namely that the Catholic Church is seeking some sort of dictatorial powers. This thread was posted by Hank Kerchief, whose real name is Reginald Firehammer (the author of this piece) -- Hank Kerchief was zotted last week for being a TROLL. Hank Kerchief doesn't just hate the Catholic Church, he hates ALL CHRISTIANS -- this piece simply follows the leftist template of opposing orthodox Christianity and the template is to attack Catholicism the hardest and the most often. The left doesn't attack Catholicism because it hates Catholicism more or differently than it hates other orthodox Christians, the left attacks Catholicism because they believe that if they destroy the Catholic Church that all other Christians will just give up. Those Christians who support the left in this endeavor are no different from the isolationists of the late 1930s and early 1940s who said, "As long as Hitler leaves us alone, he can do whatever he wants, let's just stay out of the war."
What evidence has been presented to make you believe Old Reggie is a Unitarian? I'm not entirely sure he is "FOR" any thing because he hasn't ever answered a question about his belief system. The only thing I can see is that he is an Antitarian, opposed to all things Catholic. He is more than willing to lock arms with the likes of the OPC in order to attack the Church. That speaks volumes about who or what he is.
The Christian Community on a whole is clearly under attack, which certainly with all the sexual scandals in the catholic church does not exempt catholics by any means.
The enemy of mens souls has been operating within the gates... we are simply seeing the results of that...along with the Holy Spirit sifting out that which needs to take place among us all and the churches we attend. Many have prayed God would shake out the rubbish that has infilitrated the house of believers...He is doing just that.
It is to establish his Protestant Bona Fides by Quixotically (no reference to Quix)confronting the beast of Rome. He just chooses to do it anonymously in the darkness of the internet rather than in person.
Ah, thanks! I didn't know that. Do you know why he was?
My point was exactly that you don't elevate Christ nearly high enough! Few if any of the non-Catholics here seem to have any appreciation of the sheer wonder of the Divinity of Christ (even those who say they accept it). Maybe they just don't express themselves well, but they seem to have an extraordinarily limited concept of God at all -- they seem to see Him plodding along with the rest of us, bound by time (though they generously grant that He can see the future).
It's like someone locked in a room whose only concept of elevation is a ladder and no inkling of mountains and valleys and foothills!
Isn't that just another way to say another FReeper is lying?
What they can show you is an obscure local booklet published 50 years ago in Boston which they claim purports to demonstrate authorization by the Church of worship of Mary. They don’t understand that the determinations are made in Rome not Boston. Let them wallow in ignorance and questionable interpretations of Scripture.
God bless
But like so many people, you do not seem to really look at the words in the scriptures...You just read 'em and let someone else tell you what they mean...Consider this:
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Here, the speaker CHOSE to speak in an unknown tongue...A tongue that he, the speaker doesn't know...
Can you chose to speak Russian if you do not know the language??? Or Chinese???
The Apostles in acts didn't chose to speak in foreign languages...THAT was a special revelation from God...
But here, the person chose to speak a language that he doesn't know...How can that be???
And then Paul says the person should pray to know how to interpret what the person just said...
Would seem that it could not then be a foreign language...
Indeed it was. In the old Hebrew tradition the Sabbath was the last day of the week, the day that God rested. In the Christian tradition the Sabbath is the first day of the week. Sunday doesn't mark the end of anything, it marks the beginning.
Among other things, he was a pro-abortion, pro-eugenics troll. He also believed that FR is supporting Obama and he was demanding that pictures of servicemen killed in Afghanistan be posted.
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INTERESTING that the ones claiming falsely such extreme unity are the ones working
sooooooooooooooooooo HARD
to DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
Shameful.
LOL! You really think that means to eschew all human knowledge???? In any case, you were the one who claimed to know “a little history” — was that before you repented of learning even that much? ;-)
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I would wager that he would join Uncle Milty and seek refuge in the recesses of the Four Square institution.
If you guys can believe that Mary provides the salvation for your souls and delivers the grace for salvation and can still call yourselves Christians, then there certainly can be Christian Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists...
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
They make so much of pretending there’s all this significant difference between their
VATICAN ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING
WEASEL WORDS
When most of them seem to have such a huge difficulty
discerning and detecting DIFFERENCE of any kind, it’s a wonder they can tell the difference between black and white; night and day; . . . IF they can.
Nope, Reginald Firehammer is an atheist devotee of Ayn Rand.
Here's the title:
And it carries the official sanctions of:
ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR
Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .
Here they are:
However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.
p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence
p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]
p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
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[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]
p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]
5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]
p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."
p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"
p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."
YUP.
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