Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Thank you, Quix! I value your prayers, and you bring a smile into my day.
Oops. That “of” doesn’t belong in there.
And I hope you notice that instead of answering the charge WHORE OF BABYLON, along with the oh-so nuanced charge of the CULT OF CATHOLICISM has raised it’s ugly head.
And you don't believe you show prejudice against those who are telling you they are FORMER CATHOLICS?? lol! I can't think of a better definition of prejudice than the words of Catholics against those who are former Catholics. They are routinely dismissed as liars. If you seek proof, just re-read this article.
As far as elusive groups of former Catholics who have become Protestants, I couldn't tell you. And you couldn't tell me. God knows. Perhaps He will share that information with you. In the meantime, here's another scripture for your enlightenment pleasure:
."For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (2 Cor. 10:12).
The Big Flock Mentality believes there is power and truth and wisdom in numbers. Evidently not..
Be clear please. You are addressing me as a "vicarious Marine?" For anyone who does not know, I have a son who is a Marine, who I am very proud of.
I get slimed for that? Wonderful! I'll take it, considering the source.
UNDERSTANDABLE.
I can imagine bringing in civil authorities. I’d work hard to avoid it and err on the side of following the spirit and letter of the Scripture about avoiding such.
However, I sit here on a remaining acre out of 175 acres . . . much of which was crookedly bought in difficult family times at a deliberately lower appraised value—$12,000/acre below market value because of powerful pressures on the appraisers—one of whom was my step-dad’s childhood classmate. That really hurt him.
That brought a chuckle to mine.
WE both know folks who fiercely find me otherwise! LOL
Prayers for you & those you care for.
I have NEVER publicly indicated which ones I think may be lying about it.
I can't think of a better definition of prejudice than the words of Catholics against those who are former Catholics. They are routinely dismissed as liars.
Please, show me where I have called someone a liar on this thread.
As far as elusive groups of former Catholics who have become Protestants, I couldn't tell you. And you couldn't tell me. God knows.
Got it, they are a lot like the multitude of non-Catholics on here who refuse to disclose what denomination they belong to in order to avoid getting pinned down on beliefs.
Interesting that you should post 2 Cor. 10:12, has it escaped your attention that the theme of this very thread is an article where a former priest bashes the Catholic Church?
NOT AT ALL “SLIMED!”
I think it’s wonderful that you have a great Marine son.
I think it’s wonderful that you admire him and support him so vigorously and publically.
I don’t think trying to explain works with some folks.Sometimes hereon, I try to curtail my exercises in futility.
I understand that you don’t understand.
Sometimes life’s like that.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
This is the only verse that I can recall where a curse is called down on someone for anything, and that is preaching a false Christ. That’s it.
The gospel is about Christ. That’s it. Christ and Him crucified and risen. All the extraneous stuff that the religious leaders added some 400 years later doesn’t mean anything.
The thief on the cross simply requested that Jesus remember him when He comes into His kingdom and that was enough for him to enter paradise (be saved from his sins)
Zaccheus put his faith in Christ and stated he was making restitution to those he had wronged and Christ said salvation had come to his house.
Jesus was the one who said that men must be born again and that he who has the Son has life and he who does not have the Son does not have life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
It’s about forgiveness through Jesus because He’s the one who died for our sins.
The Catholic church is certainly free to pronounce any number of curses on people who don’t follow their teaching and require adherence to them from those who are its members. That’s their business and the business of those who choose to follow them.
Salvation is a free gift offered to us by God made simple enough that a child could comprehend it and accept Christ. It doesn’t need to be unnecessarily complicated.
The authority of the Catholic church covers it alone. it has no authority over anyone else, or any other denomination. If it’s going to criticize others beliefs, then those others are going to defend them.
Likewise, it could be asked why Catholics get so offended when non-Catholics criticize Catholic beliefs?
Those are the only places I’ve been able to find in the KJV, where CHRIST said it. Of course, He also said, “Ye have heard it said,” but that is not the same as “It is written.”
Jesus said 'it is written' at least 20 times in the Gospels...Referring of course to the O.T...
'It is written' was spoken over 60 times in the NT alone...80 times in the scriptures...
Jesus never once said, 'ye have heard it said'...Jesus wasn't much on here-say or rumor...
Keep trying. Maybe even use some facts and reason. Not wild conjectures, projections, distortions and personal attack. There IS more than available, if we try.
Nothing says *I can't back up my position or opinion* than following it up with absolutely NOTHING.
That's an easy one...As we all know, there are those who accept Jesus with their head but not their heart...
Examine yourself: Make sure your profession of faith comes from your heart...Goes along with ' work out your salvation with fear and trembling...
Examine yourself: Confess your sins and take communion with a clean heart...
The candid humor is appreciated, but that basis for authenticity could be appropriated by other religions as well, which God allows as a test, and is not the real basis which is invoked.
Busy now but will try to get back later.
The key word their is "recall," which I suppose will always be a stumbling block with YOPIOS.
The gospel is about Christ. That’s it. Christ and Him crucified and risen. All the extraneous stuff that the religious leaders added some 400 years later doesn’t mean anything.
The Eucharist IS about Christ because it IS Christ and I don't know where you came up with "some 400 years later," I posted something that was written LESS THAN 80 YEARS after the Resurrection and it was written by a man who was personally instructed by the Apostles and his writings were NEVER DISPUTED.
The thief on the cross simply requested that Jesus remember him when He comes into His kingdom and that was enough for him to enter paradise (be saved from his sins)
Zaccheus put his faith in Christ and stated he was making restitution to those he had wronged and Christ said salvation had come to his house.
Jesus was the one who said that men must be born again and that he who has the Son has life and he who does not have the Son does not have life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
It’s about forgiveness through Jesus because He’s the one who died for our sins.
Try to stay on topic, we were discussing the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
The authority of the Catholic church covers it alone. it has no authority over anyone else, or any other denomination. If it’s going to criticize others beliefs, then those others are going to defend them.
So, are you saying that you DO belong to some denomination that doesn't believe it has the right to say things about groups that deny the Divinity of Christ or the Holy Trinity?
Likewise, it could be asked why Catholics get so offended when non-Catholics criticize Catholic beliefs?
You mean those who embraced 16th century man-made beliefs to deny 16 centuries of Church teaching? We criticize them for the same reason we criticize ALL moral relativists and that it because moral relativism (and when you get right down to it that's all YOPIOS is) is an evil device of Satan.
I am remiss. I forgot to do a keyword search on the word *Scripture*. This is what I found just in the gospels. Jesus appeal to Scripture to verify what He said and what He claimed.
Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “ ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’ ?
Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Matthew 26:54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”
Mark 12:10 Haven’t you read this scripture: “ ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ;
Mark 12:24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?
Mark 14:49 Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.”
Luke 4:21 and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
Luke 24:32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
John 2:22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
John 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.”
John 7:42 Still others asked, “How can the Christ come from Galilee? Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David’s family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?”
John 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—
John 13:18 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the scripture: ‘He who shares my bread has lifted up his heel against me.’
John 17:12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
John 19:24 “Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.” This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled which said, “They divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.” So this is what the soldiers did.
John 19:28 Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.”
John 19:36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
John 19:37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”
John 20:9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
Corinthians 2 Chapter 10 7-13
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Look at what confronts you. Whoever is confident of belonging to Christ should consider that as he belongs to Christ, so do we.
8
And even if I should boast a little too much of our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for tearing you down, I shall not be put to shame.
9
May I not seem as one frightening you through letters.
10
For someone will say, “His letters are severe and forceful, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.”
11
Such a person must understand that what we are in word through letters when absent, that we also are in action when present.
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Not that we dare to class or compare ourselves with some of those who recommend themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
13
But we will not boast beyond measure but will keep to the limits 9 God has apportioned us, namely, TO REACH EVEN TO YOU.
Why are non-Catholics allowed to take up residence in your head? Do you think you have enough spare space to give room to those who require so much of your time?
Let's see. You don't seem to post Catholic doctrine or scripture that supports the Catholic teachings for LURKERS who may be in search of truth, or you would have agreed with me on the importance of posting scriptures. So I can only surmise that you appear to enjoy the act of bashing non-catholics, including former catholics, solely.
"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:" (Eph. 1:17).
The inability of some to see the Catholic doctrine and Scripture that I've posted on this thread is a reflection of their difficulties with comprehension.
It'd also be interesting to see the statistics.
You got sources to back that up?
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