Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Are you going to demand your money back?
If the Catholic Church is that antichrist of John Calvin et al, then Martin Luther would have been a dead man this side of heaven. As it is, Martin Luther declined an invitation and his life and limbs were unmolested by the Church after he declined. Your apologies may be deposited in the offerings basket on your way out.
How many Jewish grandmothers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None...that's okay, I'll just sit here in the dark. :o)
Now do you understand how not even Jesus could refuse His Mother at Cana? And you guys wonder why we pay attention to her? :)
Debunked, as well as Hitler's Catholicism.
Saddam Hussein's top henchmen are/were Catholics
Name them.
The communist dictators in Central and South America are Catholics
You mean like Chavez who is actively persecuting the Church, putting priests to death and bishops in jail? You mean like Chavez who calls the Church an even bigger oppressor of the people than her is?
Mussolini was a Catholic
Operative word: was. Luther was Catholic. Calvin was Catholic. Zwingli was Catholic. Lenin was Catholic. Stalin was Catholic. Was. Former. Used to be.
Agreed. Is there a group rate on multicoloured and multisized fonts?
Your wobbling is taking you interestingly close to the LDS...
Yes, the Roman church has become the Judaizers of Galations.
They have perverted the Simple Gospel of Grace into rules, regulations, rituals. They have gone back to a priesthood that sacrifices Christ endlessly inserting themselves between God and sinners, replaced circumcision with baptismal regeneration, required auricular confession to a priest for forgiveness, etc...
Even basic biblical terms have been warped.
Grace to a RC is NOT unmerited favor in most caes, but a supernatural enabling which is procured! Thus, justification is dependent upon dedication to the sacramental system to get more grace, to do more works in order to suffer less penance or spend less time in Purgatory.
Faith to a RC is NOT fully trusting in Jesus one perfect sacrifice for the payment of ones sin, but more or less a litany of what one must believe which include the ancient creeds and the more modern Roman dogma like the papacy and the Marian beliefs.
Certainly their tradition has nullified the Word of God.
The Gospel of Grace is simple 1. God is perfect and requires perfection for entry to Heaven. 2. Man is incapable of attaining entry to Heaven left to his own devices 3. Christ perfectly paid the penalty for sin on the Cross for all those who trust in Him alone.
Rom 10:8-10 8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
INDEED.
Luke 11:27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you." 28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."
Luke 8:19 And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd. 20And it was reported to Him, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see You." 21But He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it."
Really? I posted a substantial excerpt of John. You post back what you have as a competing and opposing excerpt of Luke. Different circumstances. Different incident. Or are you saying that when Luke fits your bill, John is eliminated?
Jesus messed with their eyes so they could not recognize Him and then later He opened their eyes just before He left...It had nothing to do with bread and wine...
Luk 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
And then your fellow Catholic tells us that they recognized Jesus when they saw Him in the Eucharist...
That is what the Lucan verse you just posted says. When you guys make it all up as you go along, you guys so frequently get it wrong. Or perhaps God is blinding eyes so that they do not even realize what they post.
All you have to do is believe what you read...
First you actually have to read it...
“Agreed. Is there a group rate on multicoloured and multisized fonts?”
Gives me the shivers when I recall that every single comment and every word will be accounted for before God.
“Jerkisizing” us is one of those accounting columns that are best avoided.
Once again, you may have forgotten what this tiny excerpt actually means. I shall refresh your memory if I may:
Mark 5: 21 7 When Jesus had crossed again (in the boat) to the other side, a large crowd gathered around him, and he stayed close to the sea. 22 One of the synagogue officials, named Jairus, came forward. Seeing him he fell at his feet 23 and pleaded earnestly with him, saying, "My daughter is at the point of death. Please, come lay your hands on her 8 that she may get well and live." 24 He went off with him, and a large crowd followed him and pressed upon him. 25 There was a woman afflicted with hemorrhages for twelve years. 26 She had suffered greatly at the hands of many doctors and had spent all that she had. Yet she was not helped but only grew worse. 27 She had heard about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak.
28 9 She said, "If I but touch his clothes, I shall be cured." 29 Immediately her flow of blood dried up. She felt in her body that she was healed of her affliction. 30 Jesus, aware at once that power had gone out from him, turned around in the crowd and asked, "Who has touched my clothes?" 31 But his disciples said to him, "You see how the crowd is pressing upon you, and yet you ask, 'Who touched me?'" 32 And he looked around to see who had done it. 33 The woman, realizing what had happened to her, approached in fear and trembling. She fell down before Jesus and told him the whole truth. 34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has saved you. Go in peace and be cured of your affliction."
35 10 While he was still speaking, people from the synagogue official's house arrived and said, "Your daughter has died; why trouble the teacher any longer?" 36 Disregarding the message that was reported, Jesus said to the synagogue official, "Do not be afraid; just have faith." 37 He did not allow anyone to accompany him inside except Peter, James, and John, the brother of James. 38 When they arrived at the house of the synagogue official, he caught sight of a commotion, people weeping and wailing loudly.
39 11 So he went in and said to them, "Why this commotion and weeping? The child is not dead but asleep." 40 And they ridiculed him. Then he put them all out. He took along the child's father and mother and those who were with him and entered the room where the child was.
41 12 He took the child by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum," which means, "Little girl, I say to you, arise!" 42 The girl, a child of twelve, arose immediately and walked around. (At that) they were utterly astounded. 43 He gave strict orders that no one should know this and said that she should be given something to eat.
Well, other than the Reformation does. We preach the Gospel of Jesus, found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Where does your gospel come from?
Why would God, in His kindness toward us through Jesus Christ, send His only begotten Son, His glory, to die for us, and then make our way to Him dependant on our pitiful selves? Why would He give up His Son on our behalf, and then make us go through a maze of traditions and doctrines to get to Him? Why would a kind and loving Creator of the Universe make our salvation dependant on rituals, and creeds, and canon, after He has told us "It is FINISHED"? That would be a cruel god who would take away what he promised. Who would add demands after telling us "It is FINISHED." ?
Hmmmm, Jesus rather seems to put His mother and siblings in their place more times than not.
Luke 11:27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Luke 8:19 And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd. 20And it was reported to Him, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see You.” 21But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
INDEED.
THOUGH I’d take out the qualifier “seems”
It’s just that when RC’s get to those verses . . .
the Vatican mind meld takes over and all they see in their minds eye or on the page is the flutter of white hankys . . . which they may well fantasize are Mary’s kisses for their faithfulness to UNBIBLICAL hogwash.
Or . . . maybe those verses aren’t even in the Vatican stretchy ‘Bibles.’
EXCELLENT POINTS.
THX.
While I appreciate your patience and goodwill in attempting dialogue with.. whatever, I think the only way to post and not be misquoted is not to post at all.
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
How do you propose to do that?
Either thump them on the tops of their pointy little heads, or else turn them into Unitarians. :)
SO now you are going to pretend to be a judge or legal professional? If this were a case for you to adjudicate you could make such rulings, but I frankly don't care what you or Dr. E choose to believe. I have an eye witness who happens to have been a hospice priest and hospital Chaplin. I believe him as so would most reasonable people. I would put him up against your bogus internet sources and the often discredited Dr. E in front of any jury in the world and walk away a winner. Death bed conversions, like death bed confessions, are given particular merit in legal proceedings
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