Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[presently no screen name]

no one is going to take your word for anything.

Why the NEED to fabricate? Saying 'no one' is a lie - so speak for yourself. It's you that is hammering on it - that is way too obvious. Your NEED to control and be right regarding - as if John Wayne proves the RCC is right in their teachings - is laughable! But not too strange that you NEED man as proof the RCC teachings are just - since you CAN'T use God's Word to do the same.

He already knew Christ, His Savior, all his life. Being a conservative like he was - hardly open to deception.

if 90% of the world population were Catholics and 10% were Christians - that does not make the RCC teachings correct in any fashion. Majority does not rule in the Kingdom of God.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it."

"STRIVE to enter through the narrow door; for MANY, I tell you, will seek to enter and will NOT be able".

"Work hard to enter the narrow door to God's Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail.

But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.

[Natural Law]

"2 Timothy 3"

Nothing in there about Scripture, only Scripture, or the exclusion of the rest of the Revealed Word in that one either.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove, the Catholic Church agrees that all Scripture is indeed the Revealed Word of God. The Church just doesn't teach that the entire Revealed Word of God is contained within Scripture.

[presently no screen name]

That's the unspoken premise behind your little "hit piece" of a post.

NOW, I will call that READING MY MIND!! Let's hear what you have to say about that.

[roamer_1]

Thank you -- as you correctly said, Christ did not inherit original sin (Iscool: take down notes)

I said "I think..." That is not a declaratory remark.

And, yet, you say that His Mother was "in the curse", right?

Yes. I am very comfortable with that conclusion. There is no evidence otherwise.

And, you did say "Physical death is the consequence of original sin.". We have one instance where this statement is incorrect.

Actually two that I can recall... Enoch and Elijah. The reason(s) IIRC, was faith merited as righteousness.

Finally, you misread John 10 --> Christ did not take His own life. He lay it down Himself, but we killed Him, He did not kill Himself.

Sooo... It seems you believe that we can kill God... even if He is in some sense "reduced" by being human? I cannot buy that. I think He consented to His mistreatment all the way along - every stripe, and every nail... For the purpose of redeeming mankind, He laid His Life down, as it is written.

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

(e-Sword:KJV)

Hmmmm. 12 legions of angels... AFAIR, ONE angel took out the entire Assyrian army in a matter of an hour or two... Do that math, why not. That is probably enough to take out the whole world, even today.

[Natural Law]

"2 Timothy 3"

Nothing in there about Scripture, only Scripture, or the exclusion of the rest of the Revealed Word in that one either.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove, the Catholic Church agrees that all Scripture is indeed the Revealed Word of God. The Church just doesn't teach that the entire Revealed Word of God is contained within Scripture.

[OLD REGGIE]

We'll try to rein in our thenthitive typeths perhaps a little better than we have done in the past.

How do you propose to do that?

[presently no screen name]

The Church just doesn't teach that the entire Revealed Word of God is contained within Scripture.

They not only don't teach it - they don't even ABIDE by Scripture. For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH--and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. And the RCC teaches - it IS BY WORKS.

And that is ONLY ONE of their deceptions.

And the start of their heresy and control. "THEY" have a better way.

You can't serve two masters.

[OLD REGGIE]

A Mossberg 500 in pistol grip with magnum shells of slug alternating with 0-0-0 shot has postive effects on the speakers.

In my fantasy world I have invented a speaker death ray that follows the sound to the speaker and blows them to smithereens. I also see the look on the jerk's face.

[Natural Law]

"They not only don't teach it - they don't even ABIDE by Scripture."

It is ignorant opinions like that that keep you outside the Communion of Saints.

[bkaycee]

No one Said Mary was totally depraved.

The doctrine of total depravity and BEING totally depraved are 2 totally different things.

To ignore the explanation of the doctrine and insist we mean something other is dumb.

Google total depravity, if you want the definition, its not hard to find.

[Quix]

I’ll tell you something else that shows: your ignorance of what I just said. YOUR TEAM posts your beliefs/teachings. Every time something by your side is posted to try to make your point, OUR point ends up being made. We don’t have to surmise your church’s beliefs.. You could not POSSIBLY give me too much information on catechism or canon, or tradition or doctrine. I welcome it. It proves our point, every time it’s given.

And that is not a vacuous IMPLICIT dodge. That is EXPLICITY stated.

INDEED.

[Quix]

i COULD well have said that.

I don’t recall it.

My lifelong understanding, conviction, perspective and that of my cohorts has been that ALMIGHTY GOD = THE FATHER.

[D-fendr]

To ignore the explanation of the doctrine and insist we mean something other is dumb.

I agree. Unfortunately, those are the rules applied to us.

If you wish, I've offered to change these rules, but we'll need their agreement.

[Quix]

I don’t believe believers who have opted out of the catholic church, or those who belong to other denominations are catholics gone astray or lost. Rather they see the contradictions clearly and the twisting of scriptures, even opposition to them, which is why people are not “sold” on the catholic church...Christ rather is central to their life.... and to some all the “other” trappings the catholic church requires are just another road of works and or compliance to their church and what Rome determines...rather than the freedom Christ gives to worship Him without all the “other” trappings. IMO.

Most who follow Christ and the truth desire a deeper understanding of Christ over that of their church...which is basically a meeting place for believers. We become the “body of Christ” as we come together, and it is we who reflect Him to an unsaved world.

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INDEED.

[OLD REGGIE]

1. Can you identify the "fathers"? 2. What is meant by "unanimous" consent of the fathers?

The fathers can be Bishops, Popes,Clergy etc.. and unanimous consent is generally(but not always) done at Church councils on matters of faith and morals. Mostly it's just to confirm what the Church has always taught on these issues,but there is sometimes a need to make them concretely written to fight off heresies that arise and protect the flock

OK, that's the answer I expected:
1. The "fathers" can vary from time to time as required.
2. "Ubanimous" consent is a moving target.

How have you been,dear OR? It's been a long time from when I last heard from you.

I have been fine with some "hicckups" every now and then. I am feeling very good at this time.

Thank you very much for asking.

How have you been?

[Quix]

QX: What’s the purpos in OBSCURING the doctrine of the Trinity???

MAD DAWG:
Wha'? How'd I do that? Serious question.

To: Quix
Quix:
The label "MOTHER OF GOD" implies, indicates, ASSERTS ESSENTIALLY THAT the Vatican teaches that Christ 100% identically equals FATHER GOD. That's a by now DELIBERATE deception, a falsehood, a seduction, a lie. My doggedly logical synapses CANNOT slice it any other way, given the abundant evidence.

MAD DAWG:
"The Vatican" conforms to the decisions of Ephesus and Chalcedon. This conformity is motivated by a desire to obscure the doctrine of the Trinity which, in its Nicene formulation is proclaimed by us every Sunday and Solemnity?

In any event, the fear of being misunderstood is not a good reason not to speak the truth. Speaking what one does NOT believe is at least as subject to disastrous misunderstanding.

6,533 posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03:29 PM by Mad Dawg

[presently no screen name]

"They not only don't teach it - they don't even ABIDE by Scripture." It is ignorant opinions like that that keep you outside the Communion of Saints.

What is not only ignorant but TELLING - you KNOW the RCC teaches 'BY WORKS' and that is in direct opposition to GOD'S WORD - and GOD IS THE ONE WHO gives us salvation.

Catholics are in agreement that the RCC knows better than ALMIGHTY GOD who gave us salvation. And I'm not in communion with heretics.

I am in communion with MY SAVIOR and a member of HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH.

[Quix]

Tradition is what is added to the law by men. The Law was given by God through Moses and to Israel. Tradition was added by men to the Law, thus making tradition part of the spoken and unspoken Law of God. Christ came to fulfill the Law, not tradition. Therefore, Christ stood in defiance of Tradition. Because it came from men, not God. Therefore, He did not sin. How could he sin? The breaking of the Law from God to Moses is sin. The breaking of tradition, given by men, is not the breaking of the Law.

Does this make sense?

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WELL PUT.

[Natural Law]

"Catholics are in agreement that the RCC knows better than ALMIGHTY GOD who gave us salvation."

More unsubstantiated rubbish. Your opinions on this subject smell as bad as where you pull them from.

[Quix]

You do realize that the source for the 33,000 “denoms” also lists the Roman Catholic Church as 5th on the all time murder list with 5 million deaths.

Do you also stand by that number as well?

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AND IIRC, it lists the RC’s et al as a significant chunk of the numbered denominations . . . a fact nearly always conveniently left out by those who throw such wild ‘stats’ out as an epithet.