Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Praise God!!!
amazing that a fellow Christian need be told this....
"hidden premises?"
So you and Quix are on an 'evil, sneaky, Catholics' kick? What's up with that?
Just because a conclusion is valid from a set of premises doesn’t necessarily imply Truth ...
Well here's the big difference: For us, if the premises in the explicit argument are true, if the conclusion is validly drawn, then that's it, no matter the psychological or crafty and insidious motivations of the people making the argument.
If that's not true, then what the heck are we doing here and what it the purpose of criticizing one another's premises and arguments? We might just as well get our weapons and shoot it out.
A valid conclusion can be used with false propositions to draw false new conclusions. A valid conclusion can be misrepresented to ill effect. I've mentioned my observation of a mother telling her 4 year old that Jesus was made sad by the child's misbehavior. If that's true, to say that to use guilt to motivate a child is, IMHO, vicious. What a 4 year old needs to hear is that Jesus loves him. When that's digested, then we can go on to what our misdeeds mean to Him.
But if the premises are true, the logic valid, then the conclusion is true. Otherwise there's no point in this.
Great post, A-G, all affirming the second and third commandments of God.
It doesn't.
Decreasing the emphasis the RCC puts on Mary only serves to increase the emphasis on Christ.
While I am not exactly done with this thread, I don’t have much more time to give to it.
I have posted a few things today and will check back in for any response, but for now, I am off to pray the rosary for a dear sister in JMJ who has passed away.
All you wonderful Catholics, please consider including a brief prayer for the repose of the soul of Alice. No need to post your response, as I know you will be kind enough to do so and am grateful on her family’s behalf that you would.
Of course, one may do whatever one pleases. One is free to ignore history and the experience gained thereby. One is free to attach any name to anything or anyone. But, one must face the consequences for those actions as well.
One can be "fully persuaded" yet wrong.
This is the type of anti-Missourian approach to birth issues ("DON'T Show Me!") that leads to foreign-born socialist presidents....
You said: " if no one had known anything about his mother."
If you don't know anything about His mother, you don't know anything about His Incarnation.
One may also be fully sincere and fully wrong. That is why we must be gracious when interacting with one who is honestly seeking what Catholics believe and respectful in their disagreement.
I have seen you exhibit that graciousness many times. May God Bless you for it.
Confessional Lutherans believe in the Real Presence, but not transubstantiation.
Mary is regarded as the Virgin Mother of Jesus, and a typical obedient Jewish wife. So no to perpetual virginity, and by her own admission not sinless.
As I said, Luther was Catholic, so he might have many personal opinions that didn't withstand Scriptural scrutiny so as to be made doctrinal in the Lutheran Confessions. His views on Mary were some of them. Lutherans honor Mary as the Mother of Jesus, but worship and adore her Creator, not His creation.
One can be "fully persuaded" yet wrong.
These issues were gone through in the early Church to be clear between basic Christian belief and error.
Most Protestants claim these same basic Christian beliefs. However, if you throw out the Church, you’ve lost the foundation and the understanding of why we believe what we believe.
And the same errors pop up all over again.
I am listening to Rush read some lefty pundit predicting that conservatives will play on racial fears in the coming election. That photos of Maxine and Charlie will be used not because the Congress thinks they may be crooks and that may be important but because we want to incite racial prejudice and fear.
I hope the Republicans and others do not quit publicizing the suspect character of DimocRAT alleged ethics. I am confident that I will laugh at any suggestion that I or anyone censor the language of Ephesus and Chalcedon because Protestants get upset by it.
As to our refusal to provide footnotes, please remember what you yourself said when somebody put up a very clear statement from Crazy Louie (de Montfort) firmly clarifying the primacy of God and the subordination of Mary as creature. If I recall correctly you immediately impugned his motive.
So, since our footnotes are scoffed at, why go to the trouble? If somebody comes to us without already deciding that all the good we do or say is only to deceive, okay. We won't stop trying to do good or trying to speak the Truth, but we're not going to bend over backwards to win the approval of those dedicated to enmity with us.
Defending against the spurious charges about false motives, trying to help our opponents aim their attacks at what we actually DO teach rather than at the phantoms conjured up by their leaders, these are not the whole of our lives and efforts (though they ARE a big part of MY apostolate.) We will do what we do, and will listen to good arguments, and deal with nonsense the best we can.
He was excommunicated for his views, he was facing death at the hands of the Catholic hierarchy. He wasn't a priest anymore. He got married (a holy estate), stayed married to the same woman, had children and made some money. Sounds like a conservative.
Exactly
Therefore, Lutherans today, rejected some of Luther’s beliefs since they were too Catholic. I don’t have time to link to Luther’s remarks regarding the Eucharist and Mary, but if possible will do so in the future.
:)May the Lord be with you this day and always.
I will pray for repose of her soul at Adoration in a few hours.
Feel free to freepmail me with her complete name
very well put and certainly explains a lot - thank you
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