6,070 posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:54:21 PM by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Sheesh, the partial quote conveys a meaning completely at odds with the original quote.
That’s ok, I understand the Jesuit philosophy Make no statement that cannot be denied, modified, or reinterpreted as required.
I see you’re familiar with a huge chunk of our RC posters! LOL.
I agree with you.
Hideous.
Visually, theologically, spiritually.
This is where we part company. There must be and it must come out of boxes of hallucinogenic breakfast cereal because it isn't in Paul and it certainly isn't in Jesus. Not in Romans and not in Philemon nor anywhere in between. Now, for 50 points and a Molson Golden toque, without looking it up, can you tell me what the point of Philemon was? :)
There IS a rosary necklace, though. which is what you're going to be left holding, after the Church the Body of Christ is raptured, and the tribulation begins, with Israel at the forefront. NOT the Catholic Church.
I have a few rosaries; I had more and kept tearing them up in my pocket. I have since moved to several rosary rings. I keep a small supply on my person and give them out to people of faith. It is surprising to see all the denominational and non denominational Protestants who accept them and use them in their prayer life. Don't worry, the mythical Rapture will simply not happen and the end times will unfold as the Creator decrees, not as bedwetting 19th century fantasists decree.
A rosary to pray on, and a look of astonishment on your faces, when you realize that it's too late to escape the wrath of God. ;)
Those who are Judged for Salvation will not endure the wrath of God, just the shame of Purgatory. Those who are Judged for Damnation will Judge wrath upon themselves. A rosary is an object, not God. The Bible, as well, is a revered object, but still an object, not God.
19th century fantasists are also not God...
YOu guys don’t even see the New Testament thru the eyes of the New Testament...
Romans 11 is about the restoration of Israel...Matt, Mark and Luke are about Israel...Hebrew and James are about Israel as well as some other books...
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A rosary ring? I've never heard of one.
The approach of St. Thomas Acquinas is better described in general as Scholasticism. Pope Benedict has spoken and written a great deal about the combination of scholasticism and monasticism, or Faith and Reason. Below is a quote from a General Audience last year.
In the incipit of the Encyclical Fides et Ratio, the Servant of God John Paul II wrote: "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth". Faith is open to the effort of understanding by reason; reason, in turn, recognizes that faith does not mortify her but on the contrary impels her towards vaster and loftier horizons. The eternal lesson of monastic theology fits in here. Faith and reason, in reciprocal dialogue, are vibrant with joy when they are both inspired by the search for intimate union with God. When love enlivens the prayerful dimension of theology, knowledge, acquired by reason, is broadened. Truth is sought with humility, received with wonder and gratitude: in a word, knowledge only grows if one loves truth. Love becomes intelligence and authentic theology wisdom of the heart, which directs and sustains the faith and life of believers.The Encyclical by Pope John Paul II referred to is a long read, it's meant to cover the subject. IMHO, it's well worth reading as a comprehensive argument in today's world. It's online here:Faith and Reason.
Any one can go off to school and learn 'about' the bible
Most of those spouting off about novel theologies didn't pass the third grade.
Another thing your religion refuses to acknowledge is that while this heathen Eunuch came into the picture void of any biblical understanding, with only a few hours, or minutes of instruction, the Eunuch left to spread the words of God in his own country armed with only a copy of the scriptures and the filling of the Holy Spirit...
Acts 8: 26 7 Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route." 27 So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, 8 that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot."
30 9 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 31 He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him. 32 This was the scripture passage he was reading: "Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he opened not his mouth. 33 In (his) humiliation justice was denied him. Who will tell of his posterity? For his life is taken from the earth." 34 Then the eunuch said to Philip in reply, "I beg you, about whom is the prophet saying this? About himself, or about someone else?" 35 Then Philip opened his mouth and, beginning with this scripture passage, he proclaimed Jesus to him. 36 As they traveled along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "Look, there is water. What is to prevent my being baptized?"
37 10 38 Then he ordered the chariot to stop, and Philip and the eunuch both went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 When they came out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but continued on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip came to Azotus, and went about proclaiming the good news to all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
Notice the order. The eunuch is curious, but mystified. Philip, as an ordained deacon of the Church approaches him, teaches him and baptizes him. However, Scripture does NOT say that he left to spread the word of God in his own country. It merely says that before he met Philip that he was traveling home (to Ethiopia). Do you know if he made it? Did he then change his mind? Don't know. It merely says that he went on his way rejoicing.
I DIDN’T REALIZE
So many devotees to the
STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY
were also
REPLACEMENTARIANS!
Sheesh! Has the Vatican always flooded the countryside with so much ignorance?
lol! Yes, that seems to be a cornerstone of their beliefs. They are Israel. I guess they mean spiritual Israel, but why not claim ALL of it, while you’re claiming..Of course it’s just IMPLICIT, not EXPLICIT. It never is explicit, it seems..
For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH—and this NOT from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God—NOT BY WORK, so that no one can boast.
RCC can’t claim something when their teachings are against it. It’s as simple as that - in spite of what the RCC’s ‘professionals’ say.
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INDEED.
Scripture certainly teaches itself if Scripture is allowed to interpret Scripture. But Romanism is really Thomism. It’s built on speculative philosophies that tries to unite two spheres, a nature sphere and a grace sphere, and to unite those two spheres Aquinas artificially placed all authority in the institutional Church. It’s starting point has no basis in Scripture.
All human edifices rely on speculative philosophies which have no basis in GOD SPEAKING which should be the only basis on which to build doctrine.
Thanks for the discussion.
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I'll TRUST you on this one. 50 points and a Molson toque to you. It reached well over 90 degrees and 95% humidity here, so I have no need of one today.
Well, it's rather more of a finger rosary than a rosary ring. I had several rosary rings that circled on an inner surface on a bushing, but I tended to tear them up as well. So a static finger rosary works well for me. I have several on my key rings and they prove more durable than traditional rosaries. They are also accepted as true rosaries in my Knights of Columbus Council (as well as my padre). I can PM you more information if you like.
When I get in the car in the morning to go to work, I set my coffee cup in the holder, shut the radio off, and once under way, say a decade of the Rosary before I begin to even contemplate the day's events. 14 minutes once a day in deep prayer in solitude does my heart and soul well. Jesus said to go into your own room and shut the door before praying, so I can kinda justify going into my own car alone and shutting the door as fulfilling what He commanded.
My company has several manufacturing and administrative locations and I frequently miss the highway turnoff to the first ones from my home...
I refuted that point with an example of an article on theology from a man who is NOT a professional Catholic apologist, a very sound article, in fact, that I've bookmarked since it's so good.
The only response from you was an entirely irrelevant question, a question that has nothing to do with the point you originally made, and now you're upset because I objected.
I don't get it.
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