Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
No, we don't wonder about it...I suspect the next logical step would be to leave out the cracker...What do you need that for??? Mary does it all...
You are not the first to ask or the first to be answered. The answer is more detailed and thorough than the parsed Paulian accusations thrown out in opposition and requires more space than is available here. If you are really interested you can get a good understanding here:
Are you incapable of telling the truth even when it is so easily verifiable? Declaring an anathema is not damming anyone to hell. In fact, the Church has never claimed the ability to adjudicate anyone's salvation or damn anyone to hell. That is between you and God. An anathema is simply an administrative pronouncement a step above simple excommunication in which it instructs those remaining in communion to not have any interactions with those anathematized.
Those falsehoods might make you feel better about yourself and your choices and I am sure that some in your posse feel the same, but to those who are actually interested in the truth and an honest comparison and contrasting of the different belief systems you either foolish or corrupt.
You are repeating yourself which is yet another instance of you not using credible source.
That is a requirement for productive and respectful debate here. We can only assume the lack of it reflects a lack of interest in that or the lack of a cogent argument.
“However, the RCC teaches that muslims are saved because they say they believe in the God of Abraham and thus muslims and RCs worship the same God.”
It’s the esteem, the esteem!
That is a complete and utter falsehood. The Church's position is that there is a "Path to Salvation" for all mankind including Muslims and the historical fact that Islam, as completely flawed as it is, is an Abrahamic religion.
For anyone to worship a different God would mean that there is more than one God. How many Gods do you believe that there are?
On a related topic, tell me what the 9th Commandment is in your Bible.
And that’s why problems with Mariology often point to problems with Christology, Nestorianism being the most common.
I was going to respond about the difference between a legitimate difference in belief and opinion and the slinging about of lies characterized as Catholic belief and wouldn't you know, the next post up was another complete lie about what the Catholic Church teaches.
In this day and age when everyone who posts to FR has complete internet action there is no excuse for ignorance. It is a shame that the rules don't permit calling a spade a spade.
What we see often is faith standing on one’s own wisdom. Sometimes Protestantism is used as a way to say each has to create their own theology, relying on their own wisdom. And it comes up lacking in depth and hasn’t been fully thought out with all its ramifications.
The proper word is "Immaculate".
Yep, you just have to rely on the self-identification of spades. :)
I think an honest person looking for honest debate and discussion does see this if they spend any length of time on the threads.
a) Set up false fronts in which they pretend to be protestants of some sort
b) Vigorously argue against non-protestant beliefs in a manner divorced from reality and devoid of good manners.
By doing so, they unfairly smear all protestantism with the taint of false witness, rudeness, and bad logic.
I hope that none of these folks are Catholics pretending to be protestants. Such pretense would be dishonest and dishonourable. Still, I suspect that some people are doing it ... It's the only reasonable explanation I can think of. There's just no way some of these folks actually believe their own rhetoric.
“Forgive me for believing your admittance of a mistake was primarilly a “yah but” list of excuses and deflecting the guilt to me.”
All right, I forgive you, but I do wish you would think about this. Is this really a good way to bring out the truth?
“I am convinced that several of these supposed “protestant apologists” may not be protestants at all...By doing so, they unfairly smear all protestantism with the taint of false witness, rudeness, and bad logic...”
I briefly mentioned something similar much earlier in this thread. It is nice to see someone else thinking the same thing.
“I hope that none of these folks are Catholics pretending to be protestants.”
I really don’t think so. I think they are God-haters (who think of themselves as atheists) seeking to sow discord among believers.
“Still, I suspect that some people are doing it ... It’s the only reasonable explanation I can think of. There’s just no way some of these folks actually believe their own rhetoric.”
Insanity and demonic oppression have been bruited about as possible explanations.
I am certain than there are a few who are not even Christians. I smell Scientology in a number of the posters theology, others are simply evil and are seeking to set Christian brothers and sisters against one another. God does not need anyone to lie for Him.
“All ANYONE knows about the nature of God in the Trinity is what is revealed in scripture”
That is a factual error. Reality is otherwise.
That makes sense in some cases, and I have suggested its possibility on other threads.
I smell Scientology in a number of the posters theology
My knowledge of that mess is insufficient to detect it.
YES!
just because a non-catholic faithfully attends church and various rituals, loyal to the church etc. does not mean they live as a Christian or knows the Lord.
And YES!
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