Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[Quix]

Are you

REALLY trying to say that

ONLY Apostilic anything could have taught the eunuch such Biblical truths?

Personally, I think a Spirit-filled camel driver could have done as well.

Throughout history, hierarchical structure + RELIGION has quickly become DEAD

AND

all too soon DEADLY.

[Quix]

Nope. That's not it. The Catholic Church does not think there is more than one church. We do not think we are the only church which Jesus founded if that means that we think that there are other churches which he did not found. We think he founded one Church and all the baptized are members of it AND that the 'fullness' of that Church is found among those in communion with the Holy See.

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I ASSUME you are well aware that there ARE A LOT of RC's hereon who say many things quite the opposite of that . . . about other Christians etc. . . . claming that THEIR construction on Roman Catholic realities is the correct and only Vatican authorized version.

sigh.

[metmom]

There's a big difference between reading Scripture and seeing verse after verse address an issue and deciding that that is going to be a doctrine of the church, As with the virgin birth, the incarnation, the trinity, and deciding on a doctrine and going fishing for verses to try to justify it, like purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, the assumption of Mary, etc.

Don't ignore the other verses about Scripture that show that people checked it out themselves, like Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

The Holy Spirit guides us and points us to Jesus. There is no requirement that it has to be church leaders.

[Mad Dawg]

The days prayer's begin:
Lord, open my lips,
And my mouth will proclaim your praise.
(which is, of course, from Psalm 51.) Then there is the Invitatory Psalm, normally Psalm 95 with the "antiphon" as a kind of refrain between groups of verses.

On saints days the antiphon for the Invitatory Psalm is along the lines of "The Lord is glorious in His saints: Come let us adore him."

On martyr days: "Come let us worship Christ, the King of martyrs."

On "Mary-type" days the antiphon is "Come, let us worship Christ, the Son of Mary" or "Come, let us sing to the Lord as we celebrate this feast [or day] of the Blessed Virgin Mary."

And so on. Yeah, I think people can miss the point. But that doesn't make the point bad.

[Natural Law]

"WE great minds KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU!"

Not all opinions are created equal. Any intelligent person would certainly weigh the Constitutional opinions of Thomas Jefferson and Supreme Court Justices over an anonymous FR poster with no formal legal education and that same intelligent person would similarly weigh the writings of Thomas Aquinas and the Church Fathers on the Catechism and dogma over yours and metmom's.

If you disagree or believe that your opinions should be given greater credence or weight simply state your qualifications. If those qualifications are limited to a poor grasp of the basic elementary school level Catechism don't blame me for not taking you seriously.

[Quix]

v I'm Not buying it.

I Don't see the case made at all.

Labels are used because they mean something important to the labelers.

They mean something important to the labelers because other things are less important to the labelers.

That's just a PSYCHOLOGICAL and SOCIOLOGICAL fact.

Priorities are priorities. Weasel words do not cancel out priorities. Weasel words do not render priorities NON-priorities. PRIORITIES ARE PRIORITIES.

Sooner or later priorities reveal themselves in behavior as well as word choices, word tones, word frequencies etc.

That's just a linguistic, psychological and sociological fact.

People typically talk about double chocolate Hagen Daz MORE than they do vanilla BECAUSE THEY LIKE chocolate MORE than they do vanilla.

Priorities, preferences show up sooner or later in a diversity of ways.

Here we have very large group "A" scattered over a wide area. Let's just pretend for argument that the percentages are--40% of the churches are named after Mary or Joseph. Another 30% are named after other saints.

In the same County, let's pretend we have another large group "B"--and 20% of their churches are named some variation of:

The Church of the Holy Muffler

Another 20% are named some variation of

The Church of the Holy Turbor Chargers

And another 30% of the churches are named some variation on

The Church of the Holy Mag Wheels.

Are you trying to tell me that the church labels would have absolutely no correspondence with the differing priorities, values, preferences between group "A" vs group "B"???

I hope not. I'd consider that an ignorant perspective.

[don-o]

Personally, I think a Spirit-filled camel driver could have done as well.

You demand scripture - you are given scripture. Then, it's Yeah, but but but - and back to the same old same old.

So transparent - at least.

[Quix]

Now now.

Using your Olympic Class discernment to show up the absence of discernment in others . . . could be construed as cheeky.

/s

[Quix]

True.

HOWEVER,

THERE ARE DEEPLY SYSTEMIC INHERENT INSTITUTIONAL

REASONS

WHY SO MANY RC’S

MISS THE POINT.

As witnessed abundantly by every Proddy hereon.

[Natural Law]

"until it jumps out to bite Proddys."

I find your frequent use of the term "Proddy" to be as offensive and disrespectful as your use of the terms RC, Romanist and Papist in describing Catholics or the use of the word kike when referring to Jews.

[Mad Dawg]

Personally, I think a Spirit-filled camel driver could have done as well.

But he whom God placed in the way of the Eunuch was in fact an apostle. Sure, the Spirit can do as He wills. We think he wills SOME to be apostles, SOME teachers, etc,; not ALL.

Throughout history, hierarchical structure + RELIGION has quickly become DEAD AND all too soon DEADLY.

Well, it didn't take Luther, Calvin, the Church of England, or the Puritans of New England long to become deadly.

As for dead, we've been around for a while and we are at least holding our own, while pulling in Hahn, Grodi, Beckwith, and others, dispensationalists and even Assemblies of God folks. I think rumors of our demise are exaggerated.

Look, darn it, "they" pulled ME in. I ain't dead yet.

[OLD REGGIE]

Prying is not the practice of anti-Catholics because they do not actually care what you believe. It is simple easier for them to make something up and post it. Sooner or later you will respond to correct it. They will never concede that they lied or post truthfully on the subject, but they will get the info they were seeking.

Corrected version:

Prying is not the practice of anti- rabid Catholics because they do not actually care what you believe. It is simple easier for them to make something up and post it. Sooner or later you will respond to correct it. They will never concede that they lied or post truthfully on the subject, but they will get the info they were seeking.

I am waiting patiently for a reply to my post # 5665. Will I ever get it?

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[metmom]

I find your frequent use of the term "Proddy" to be as offensive and disrespectful as your use of the terms RC, Romanist and Papist in describing Catholics or the use of the word kike when referring to Jews.

I can take offense at terms all by myself, thankyouverymuch.

I don't need someone doing it for me.

Honestly, I've never seen or met anyone as perpetually offended as you come across.

[Mad Dawg]

Darn hospitals! All these sick people hanging around ‘em! it’s unhealthy I tell you!

I’ll be on the road for the rest of the day.

[Natural Law]

"Don't ignore the other verses about Scripture that show that people checked it out themselves, like Acts 17:11..."

I take issue with those who attempt to "prove" a point with only Paulian quotations and citations. If you cannot make your point exclusively from the Gospels, using Paul only for elucidation, then you probably have concluded wrongly.

The direct words of Jesus and the eye witnesses have a higher place in the hierarchy of Scripture than the words of those who came later and whose mission was to spread the Word. That is reflected in the construct of the readings in every Catholic Mass.

[Natural Law]

"Personally, I think a Spirit-filled camel driver could have done as well."

Wasn't Mohammed a "Spirit-filled camel driver"? Are you sure you want to defend that statement?

[evangmlw]

This is where you err my friend. God’s Word says, “all Scripture is inspired” (God-breathed). The words of Paul are just as much the words of God as the words of Jesus were. God’s Word is God’s Word, regardless of who spoke it or wrote it. Either it is, or it isn’t. I’ll make my eternal stand on God’s infallable Word. Catholic dogma is written by fallable man, instead of the infallable Word of God.

[OLD REGGIE]

"I repeat, NOTHING in the Catholic Tradition contradicts in any way the Holy Writ. Nothing..."

It may not be so much that Catholic Tradition contradicts Scripture as it is that so much of this Tradition is completely extraneous to Scripture.

It is not possible to contradict something which never existed.

[Quix]

LOL.

I think you know I meant . . .

the lifeless kind of dead . . .

right . . . as though there’s any other kind . . .

uhhhh

the walking dead kind of lifeless dead.

There.

I still think that psychological profiles and emotional life events have a lot of influence on when, why and what to—folks change RELIGIOUS affiliation for.

I think a well thought out rational belief basis for change is relatively rare.