Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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Nonsense. There are tons of Scriptures that back up Catholic doctrine.
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
The papal encyclicals, letters, etc (hundreds written in the past few centuries alone) are saturated with Bible citations illustrating Catholic doctrine.
Your assertion that “Scripture backs up Scripture” is a truism, similar to saying the Encyclopedia Britannica backs up the Encyclopedia Britannica.
You've said nothing by it.
What Catholic doctrine does that passage contradict?
The requirement that bishops be celibate in the Western church is a disciplinary rule, not doctrine. There’s a difference. Disciplines can be changed, doctrine can not. That’s why there will never be women priests in the Catholic Church. It’s a doctrine, and can not be changed.
Oh brother...I’ve probably opened another can of worms here!
Isaiah 53 is a prophecy of the Messiah. I believe it very clearly states the role he would have in our salvation. It is not the only place in the Old Testament where Christ’s sacrifice for our sins was told. An example is Isaiah 53:6
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
INDEED.
Along with a LOT of others.
e.g.
ALL THOSE ABOUT
IT IS WRITTEN . . .
Re: the very pregnant statue. I hope she was at least shown leaning on something. I understand balance ain’t that easy the last few weeks. :o)
The requirement that bishops be celibate in the Western church is a disciplinary rule, not doctrine. There’s a difference. Disciplines can be changed, doctrine can not. That’s why there will never be women priests in the Catholic Church. It’s a doctrine, and can not be changed.
Oh brother...I’ve probably opened another can of worms here!
OK I can accept that is a disciplinary rule and not doctrine, my mistake.
Why have a disciplinary rule that goes against scripture ?
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
And yes I think having unmarried Bishops is a huge mistake.
They have never had to raise children or run a house of their own. Since none of them have had this experience they tend to fall heavy on the social justice side.
Social justice is not much different than coveting other goods.
You know like how this mentality gave support to obscene things like 0’s deathcare they supported
and illegal immigration.
and illegal immigration.
Yes we certainly can’t forget that one.
That’s a smarmy little post there, with some scorn and mockery mixed in for good measure.
I’m waiting for the obligatory congrats in blue fonts and giant letters. Should be arriving any minute now.
Thank you. I admit I am not perfect nor immune to getting AWP (angry while posting). I hope I learn to become more open to God’s leading every day. I don’t think we ever stop growing in this life - spiritually, that is. :o)
It’s refreshing to see someone from the non-Catholic side admit they made a mistake.
I can’t find the post right now (it was hundreds of posts ago), but I also made a mistake when I said that a pope called the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. It was Constantine who convened the council. I was corrected by several posters but forgot to acknowledge my mistake personally. Well, I was wrong.
excerpt:
This council opened on 19 June in the presence of the emperor, but it is uncertain who presided over the sessions. In the extant lists of bishops present, Ossius of Cordova, and the presbyters Vitus and Vincentius are listed before the other names, but it is more likely that Eustathius of Antioch or Alexander of Alexandria presided. (see Decrees of the Ecumenical Councils, ed. Norman P. Tanner S.J.)
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum01.htm
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Paul did not teach only what was contained in his epistles...Paul taught the OT as pertaining to Jesus...Paul taught the Gospels as well...
Remember, when the letter to the Corinthians was written it was not considered scripture.
There's no reason to believe it wasn't...
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
IF you'll look at this verse that you are very familiar with, closely, you'll see that 'traditions which you have been taught' ARE the written epistles...The oral traditions ARE scripture...
Unless of course, you switch the or to an and...Which you guys do...
Illegal immigration is a social and political issue, and whether a bishop or a pope has an opinion on it is not relevant to his charism for teaching doctrinal truth.
It’s in the court of public opinion, not doctrine OR discipline.
Our own archbishop in Los Angeles is arguably off the rails on this issue. One can disagree, even vehemently, with him on this and remain a faithful Catholic.
The magisterium is not an authority on everything.
And currently, there is a very large group of Catholics including bishops and cardinals who are pushing for the Catholic church to claim Mary as part of the Godhead...
And this change can be seen by the gradual acceptance of glorifying Mary with her relatively recent proclaimed roles of co-mediator, co-redemptor and all of the other co’s they are attaching to Mary...
It won’t be long...
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