Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I hear you. :)
I understand it is common practice for anti-Catholics to refuse to answer questions they lack the knowledge or faculties to answer, but as I posed to several of you earlier, do you understand the concept of Abrahamic religions and how many Gods do you think there are?
Take your time, I appreciate how difficult it might be to work within the constraints of being both smug and ignorant at the same time.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” — 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
ONE OF THE MOST SOBERING VERSES IN THE WHOLE BIBLE.
I dropped it off in IT this morning. Unfortunately, they told me there is nothing they can do for you. The diagnosed a major malfunction between your keyboard and your chair.
"....a lot of people went berserk when I posted the song. It was deleted within minutes, and at the time, the post was responsible for the most number of "abuse button" complaints ever received for a single post (this was20062004....)"
-- Alex Murphy, July 28 2010
I say let them expose themselves for what they are. Let them call Catholic churches "synagogues of Satan." Let them call the Pope a Nazi and post cropped photos that they believe proves something. Let them stumble to convey the themes of their satantic comic books without quoting directly.
Our Lord made a promise to His Church and it is a promise that these Faustian swine have always hated, because they know that it is true (and just as He promised that they would not prevail, He also predicted that they would try):
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)
In related news, you asked me to explain the emotional responses of many on my side.
Try this: Somebody makes a disparaging generalization about NOT "SOME" Catholics but about Catholics in general and you respond, "TOO TRUE."
When an insult is offered to an entire class it is responded to with the SOUGHT FOR anger (may we dispense with the pious and hypocritical -- a word may on our side use eagerly -- pretense of an evangelical intent), and you complain. It is not beyond comprehension, but it is beyond reason.
Too many of your coreligionists complain that their knuckles were skinned by our chins for us to take their complaints seriously.
I could not agree more. Excellent post, wagglebee.
Figures. Rome ignores the Bible, too.
It sure seems that way in terms of what they pay attention therein . . . and particularly what they DON’T pay attention to . . .
such as THE POINT OF AUTHORITY:
IT IS WRITTEN.
BTW, I see the wailing, whining, dust in the air screeds are increasing in frequency and volume yet again . . .
and that AFTER the RM has pointedly exhorted quite clearly about the thin-skinned not reading such threads and not responding on them.
Perhaps their minds were focused on the latest shower of white hankys . . . or maybe their Vatican Vulcan Mind Meld mind washing was in mid-wash cycle and they couldn’t quite comprehend the RM’s meaning.
Or maybe English is a very poorly learned 2nd language.
. . . trying to be charitable here . . .
Thanks for the opportunity to show off what you seem to think is piety, but I prefer the proverbial "closet," as Jesus instructed...
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." -- Matthew 6:5-8"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Get thee to a closet, Dr. K.
Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. When all I have to go on is your word for it I can only conclude that it never happened. Those who have no problem lying about Scripture, Church History, and the contents and meaning of the Catechism have no qualms about fabrications with respect to their own posts and the posts of others.
INDEED. LOL.
I think that might mean they’d throw the head on a new garbage dump instead of an old one.
“...knuckles skinned by our chins”
That’s a keeper
And when I compare what is said about the Catholic Church to what I know to be true about it, it's pretty clear to whom that delusion was sent.
So don't talk about "ratcheting up the rhetoric".
I think Quix is also in the running for most-demonically-inspired-post-of-the-week with this recent one:
Is it in the Soylent White Wafers?
I meant what I wrote. We explain why so few Catholics are good Catholics. We have another view of "Church," and we are patient, and think God is too.
We explain how worship of Mary (I will not trifle with words) IS worship of and in Christ, and we are ignored, and the old idolatry charge is repeated.
We refer to the iconoclastic controversy and John of Damascus, but our arguments are not addressed, the old mockery charge of idolatry is repeated , more loudly (and, ahem, sometimes, more colorfully.) ;-)
And it was your side that DID smash images. Iconoclasm is not just a metaphor. It's for real, and your side did it.
You claim that it is for our good, that the lies are to bring us to Truth, these blows meant to heal our wounds.
Have you made a lot of converts on FR? IS there ONE who says that the rough and hateful handling administered here led him from Orthodoxy or from the Catholic Church to some non-Catholic religion?
Yet many of us claim that what your side does confirms us in our loyalty to the Church. We were told we would be slandered, and here the word is fulfilled. How can we but think that He who promised that to us will not be faithful in all his promises?
IF this verbal violence is a deliberate evangelical tactic, not only is it wildly counter-intuitive but it seems feckless. You say we rationalize, but in the absence of results the claim of an evangelical motivation as a justification for indulging in the intoxication of invective seems to me to be a perfect example of finding a 'good reason' to cloak the 'real reason.' The more the tactic fails, the more you all persist in it. It's simply incredible to claim that this is a results driven effort.
It's simply obnoxious. It doesn't produce what you all claim it is intended to produce. Yet it continues.
Sure, we are not guiltless on our side. I wish we all, myself especially, were more temperate in our responses. I won't compare this to that, but I'm not going to take this kind of abuse and pretend that I think it it for my good.
"...vile offerings..."
You may want to visit with Deo volente about the mocking and abuse. The good Dr., however, presented only the graphic and errant problem with Rome. She was highlighting the damage done by Rome's abandonment of the clear statements of Scripture, their wrongful usurptation of authority, their shameful replacement of grace with ceremony, tradition and human works. If you cannot see this, then perhaps the scales still exist at your level also.
(At the risk of sounding like the anti's mutal admiration society,) Dittos.
I honestly doubt you actually read much from scripture every day, “Dr.” E. I have found that those who protest sola scriptura the loudest are often, ironically, the most unacquainted with it.
My apologies for the mistake.
However, did you misunderstand the original post or was the deceptive interpretation unintentional?
Obviously the poster was saying that the PLAIN WORDING of Scripture in not sufficient or else why would there be such a disparity in the understanding of what seems to be very plain language?
In the gospel of John, Jesus clearly and most plainly, even, some might say, starkly says that one must eat His Body and drink His blood to have eternal life. Catholics take this passage as literal.
Many of His own disciples, men who had followed Him faithfully for years were aghast at this statement and walked away from Him. “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” When Jesus hears this question, He does not change His message to try to make it more palatable for the doubters. He very plainly reiterates that one must eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood to have life.
It is deceptive to claim that indeed each and every person who reads Scripture is guided by the Holy Spirit to complete and perfect understanding of what is written. It is deceptive because we know that within the Christian faith, there is much debate as to its meaning. Why would the Holy Spirit lead us all to different understandings and conclusions?
Everyone comes to the Bible influenced by some other person’s understanding. If someone were to pick it up to read without ever having heard of it, most likely their first reaction would be to find someone to help them, as the eunuch did in Acts.
Many protestant posters here link to or copy and paste the teachings of prominent protestant theologians to support their understanding, which is no different than what a Catholic does when looking to the Church for guidance.
The truth is that every one of us listens to the Word, ponders it in our hearts and accepts or rejects teachings on it. A Catholic can with a pure and sincere heart accept Catholic doctrine as Truth.
As a Catholic, I have asked the Holy Spirit to lead me. Jesus promised that “Ask and you shall receive. Knock and it shall be opened to you.” Has the Holy Spirit mislead me? Has Jesus allowed one of His sheep to be led astray?
No man is an island unto himself and Jesus most definitely understood this. That is why we are called His flock. Sheep are safest when they remain with the flock and Jesus is troubled when one is separated from that flock. That is why He tells the story of the one lost sheep that must be found and brought back into the fold.
Lastly, Jesus knew that the Apostles themselves needed help in understanding all that He had taught them which is why He promised them the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Praise and thanks be to God for that help as through the years there have been many heresies and misguided interpretations and understandings of His Word.
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