Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
That kind of post does not belong on the Religion Forum.
That's why they elevate *Tradition* to the level of Scripture. Then they can claim that tradition, which is equal to the word of God, gives them the authority to make tradition equal to the word of God.
Nice circular reasoning.
It really makes me wonder why the concept is fought so viciously today. Why can't their doctrines rely on God's holy word for proof?
It's fought so viciously because there's so little, or no, real, plain Scriptural support for some of the most important aspects of Catholicism; the ones that most Catholics hold most dear.
The only way they can justify teaching and practicing the unbiblical things they do is by propping them up with tradition.
You know what? I got to thinking about this and I realized that it might make you uncomfortable providing verification due to privacy concerns and I respect that.
So, how about you provide me with a link to a SINGLE OPC church that is still in operation that shows where they have a Gospel reading EACH week at their Sunday service (remember, we are talking about an actual service, not a Bible study).
Here’s a link to OPC churches to help you out:
http://opc.org/directory.html
I just wanted to jump in to second what my husband said, that I appreciate your reasonable and respectful discussion.
If you make a statement, support it.
I'll take it even further:
Challenge 1:
What are the things that Protestants believe Catholics "hold most dear" and why do Protestants reject them? And do ALL Protestants actually reject them?
Challenge 2:
Aside from rejection of papal primacy, name a SINGLE tenet of Catholicism that Protestants unanimously reject?
I often wonder if anti-Catholics even realize why it is that they never get any support from Lutherans or Anglicans on these threads.
The only way they can justify teaching and practicing the unbiblical things they do is by propping them up with tradition.
INDEED! . . . TO THE SUPREME DEGREE
Very good post and exactly what I was thinking about the nobility using his reaction as an excuse to do what they did.
I just went back and read my original post and I really owe the Lutherans my humblest apology as I did not mean it to come as blunt as it did or to suggest that the Lutheran clergy did it. You are right that the Anabaptist did not have clean hands in the matter either.
IF you're not going to post some scripture in your defense, one can only conclude that those links are non-starters...What's next?, a link to the Encyclopedia Britannica???
Of course not, I believe in the Gospel because of the power of the Holy Spirit, given as a gift by the Author and Perfector of my faith Jesus.
Okay; is there anything that you believe from St. Augustine, or any other Church Father, or Apostle?
See this post of mine:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2554678/posts?page=2740#2740
We start getting into trouble when we use modern standards to judge the behavior of people from 500 years ago.
The other thing to realize is that all of Germany in Luther’s time was part of the Holy Roman Empire, but individual areas where largeley ruled by princes and dukes who were interested in increasing their own wealth and power. Luther offered them a real opportunity to do this.
And your post rings true from my perspective as well.
FWIW.
Has the anti Catholics who claim they are here to save those of us of the Catholic faith have one FReeper Soul that has left the Church due to all there FRefforts?
If so Prove it? (as they commonly post)
On another Catholic note I just want to let those who want the happenings direct from Rome there is a great online newsletter called Zenit, but I am sure that is well known.
And of course there is EWTN tv/radio broadcast.
That is a favorite of mine as a non theologian but a regular Catholic Joe who wants to learn more about the history/arts/apologetics ect.
Nothing like listening to Fr.Corapi Preach it when feeling like a spiritual mud pit is coming on.
I am not a sports fan at all but I really enjoy Crossing the Line.
It is our family tradition started by KV years ago to give up tv for the Lenten season except for EWTN.
That proves for us to be a great cleansing/fast for our souls.
A 40+ day retreat.
A non Catholic Friend just came back from Rome and brought us a DVDpack “the history of the Vatican”.
So much great info from reliable to truth about our faith/history ect.
And I know you guys know about Salvations ping list.
Some of Salvations threads are for those who are well advanced in their Catholic education, IMHO.
Yet if you are homebound she does Post Daily Mass.
I was sharing some of the silly stuff about this thread with KV.
I asked him how many times as a family have we listened to the KJ version of the Bible on audio cassette (and now CD because we wore the other out over the years and ended up giving it to are garbage man to listen to as a new to the Christian faith and soon to be a Dad at the time).
Well we figure about 7 times.
So much for the Catholics don't read the Bible theory.
And when Father come to give us Holy Communion what is that he reads? Why by golly Scripture from the Holy Bible.
Then lastly we have the Catholic family Bible at our side to crack open anytime we need Word Dude.
Rather simple, esp in our busy family life.
God first, KV care second and Country third.
Speaking of first shift of KV care is calling (thank you Lord it wasn't at 4am again) so this simple Catholic persons gotta go serve and give thanks to God for another day!
However, when I saw this one, I needed to respond...
Rom. 15:20 - Paul says he doesn’t want to build on “another man’s foundation” referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome. Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
Apparently your religion is confident that you guys won't actually look up the scriptures referenced...
So which is it??? Paul was lying, or your religion is lying and Peter was never in Rome???
IT is my belief as well as that of the Church that both are still alive as are all the saints who have passed from this life to the new life with Jesus.
Eternal life, a promise made by Jesus to those who believe in Him, means just that.
It is resurrection of the body, not of the soul that the New Testament assures us will happen upon the coming of Jesus when there will be a new heaven and earth.
What would those things be? You all claim to know what the most important aspects of Catholicism are and what we hold most dear.
Are you blowing smoke or do you have anything at all?
What are the most important aspects of Catholicism, what do we hold most dear. Let's see a list -- IF you have anything.
Then we'll tell you if the things you list are indeed what we hold most dear. Let's see it.
However, when I saw this one, I needed to respond...
Rom. 15:20 - Paul says he doesn’t want to build on “another man’s foundation” referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome.
Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
Apparently your religion is confident that you guys won't actually look up the scriptures referenced...
So which is it??? Paul was lying, or your religion is lying and Peter was never in Rome???
From where I sit . . .
There would have to be two very different lists.
One list would be what the founding or core documents claim—IF ONE COULD EVEN COME CLOSE TO DISTILLING SOMETHING COHERENT AND UNIFIED, NON-CONTRADICTORY OUT OF THEM—WHICH I THINK WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
The other list
WOULD HAVE TO BE WHAT DO WE OBSERVE THE VAST BULK OF THE RC’S DOING MOST OF THE TIME.
As we’ve seen hereon so much of the time, what many RC’s claim vs what they DO is an entirely VERY DIFFERENT THING.
Perhaps we’d have to come up with a third list.
Sounds like a LOT of bother without more than a faint hint of benefit for anyone. You MIGHT learn something around the edges, you might not. Most of the rest would likely learn nothing because their minds and focus are so locked into narrow, rigid unrealities, fantasies, outright hogwash AS “TRUTH.”
TRYING VALIANTLY
to get some RC’s to deal in REALITY. I hope you're wearing a VERY GOOD helmet if you plan to contend with that brick wall, very much.
You aren’t missing anything. The “it” refers to the church not Peter, not the rock and not his confession.
I really can’t wait to see this list, I wonder if we will actually get one.
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