Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[small voice in the wilderness]

I’m sorry. when did I tell you that?

[don-o]

C I Schofield’s KJV Reference Bible, which was the “gold standard” when I was in that belief, was first published in 1909. Darby and the Plymouth Brethern are others prominent in early dispensationalism; but my memory is lacking on much detail. I know 1909 because I have MY copy of the Schofield Bible at hand.

[Iscool]

So neither of you thinks Jesus ever spoke literally?

OF course He did...But He did come, speaking in parables...And He tells us why...

When John sees critters with tails of scorpions, that may be a metaphor...Or, it could be literal...We've never seen such so we don't know...

But when Jesus says you will never be hungry again after you eat me, of course it's a metaphor...

[small voice in the wilderness]

Actually dispensationalism goes back a little further than you care to admit.

"If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION OF THE GRACE OF GOD which is GIVEN ME TO YOU-WARD; how that by revelation He made known unto ME, the mystery..."(Eph. 3:2,3,5,6,9).

Paul goes back a little further than Darby and the Plymouth Brethern. Or Schofield.

[don-o]

which baptism are you referring to?

How about the one that Christians have always observed? The baptism we read of in the book of Acts. The baptism involves water (H2O) being applied to the human body with words being spoken, almost always including, "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Some sprinkle the water; some immerse once; some immerse thrice. Protestant Christians do this and have done is as long as there has been a Protestant church.

That is the baptism I am referring to.

Do YOU practice that? Again, it makes no difference to me, one way or the other. I'm looking for some honesty and self revelation about beliefs.

[Mad Dawg]

If a Church teaches and believes that works are any part of salvation, they are ministers of righteousness of Satan.

What if someone to way works were a part of justification? In other words, what do you make of James? Minister of Satan?

What, if any, are the differences between salvation and justification.

[OLD REGGIE]

Also, your claim that "Romanist and RC" were intended to be perjoratives is also without merit.

Nice attempt to drown me with irrelevant "facts". I agree that the terms have been, and is, used as perjoratives but there is no proof whatsoever that is the orinination of the terms.

Do you have examples where I used Protestant as perjorative?

As a matter of fact I do but I have no intention of spending my time finding them for you.

One example from an old thread:

To: OLD REGGIE ***One of the difficulties in dealing with the plethora of Protestant denominations, congregations, bodies and what have you is attempting to keep each and all of them straight.

It’s much easier to throw mud at all Protestants isn’t it?***

Mostly variations on a theme.

[Iscool]

Please, what does "taken out" mean in this context?

We will be lifted off the earth, head out towards the North Star, thru and beyond the Nebula and the entire Cosmos...

We'll be on our way to meet the Bridegroom for the Big Wedding...

[OLD REGGIE]

(OLD REGGIE) There are some who play the "generalized" game to the hilt and cry to the Moderator when their feathers are ruffled.

True, but some of us try to keep some sort of restraint on those in our group who do this sort of thing.

Could you show me a few examples from this thread?

[small voice in the wilderness]

James was not a minister of Satan. James was also not a minister of the Dispensation of the Grace of God. James was and will be, after the Rapture, the minister to the dispensation of the Kingdom. Like Hebrews, (written to the Hebrews), the books from Hebrews through Revelation will be the survival manual for the tribulation.

James begins his salutations to "the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." His epistle is to" the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." Pretty sure that isn't the Fulness of the Gentiles that Paul ministered to.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

the Orthodox take a much harder line with the Catholics than the Catholics take with us.

Ain't that the truth. Who can forget these headlines when Pope JPII visited Greece:

Orthodox priests to snub Pope's Greek visit

Pope's visit to Greece infuriates Orthodox Church

Ancient emnities await the pilgrim Pope

[Mad Dawg]

So the argument that if we take SOME literally we have to take ALL literally is bogus.

My time on FR has deepened my confidence in the Church and her teachings. If you guys have to say what even you don't think to attack them, they must stand pretty secure and established.

[Mad Dawg]

So in the Dispensation of the Kingdom works ARE a part of salvation?

[trisham]

These things happen. These are also articles by the Telegraph, a UK news agency. It is possible that some agenda and/or bias is involved.

[wmfights]

Paul goes back a little further than Darby and the Plymouth Brethern. Or Schofield.

It's just the same old tactics. First separate one group then try and marginalize them and finally argue that Christians never believed what you post from the Bible, or it is a recent invention. Instead of just reading the words you must read it as allegory when it doesn't fit their beliefs.

[Mad Dawg]

Surely you see that Paul's use of dispensation -- what's the Greek, please? -- does not in itself establish that something called dispensationalism was taught by Him and continually up to now.

Who spoke of the 'rapture' in, say, the 5th century or the 8th or the 12th? Did they speak of it as the great recent dispensationalists of the past 150 years, give or take, did?

I'm not saying it's true or false on those grounds. I am just noting what seem to be troubles with the argument presented.

[don-o]

Actually dispensationalism goes back a little further than you care to admit.

Cute. Unconvincing, but cute. The folks I associated with who carried their well worn, well marked Schofield References Bibles to every service so they could follow alongm vertainly believed that his system provided the proper framework to understand God's dealings with the human race. All the "Right Dividers" (or do you have a preferred which honestly identifies your unique belief) do, is to add an eighth to the "classic" and original seven dispensations.

Again, that's fine with me. Where am I wrong?

[small voice in the wilderness]

YES. Works are part of salvation during the Kingdom Dispensation. Just as they were when Jesus Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom. It has been set aside, since Israel was blinded and salvation 'has come to the Gentiles'. ( That would be from Acts 9 when Paul is saved to the end of Acts) It is now in abeyance, until 'the fullness of the Gentiles be brought in. When this is accomplished and the Church the Body of Christ is complete, it will be removed from this earth. And the Kingdom Gospel will once again be preached. For the fruition of the Dispensation of the Kingdom, its fullness comes when Christ returns to earth to set up the Kingdom.

Acts is a transition period. From law to grace. From a Kingdom of believers to a Body of Believers.

[don-o]

Ain’t that the truth. Who can forget these headlines when Pope JPII visited Greece:

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Are you sure you want to open THAT can of WORMS on THIS thread? Yikes!!

[OLD REGGIE]

Far indeed The question was posed and ignored. It was posed again, probably to make clear that it was being ignored.

Posted again, and again, and again, and again,...

Spare me.