Wow. That is some imaginative script.
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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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Just offering a different perspective. One that demonstrates what the LdS church teaches about apostates, asking if you agree with the LdS position.
The one where those of us who leave and then “speak out” against the LdS church are “condemned...”
It’s not “nice”.
Sure the Mormons are nice, customer service is their top priority. That is why they let you continue to follow your original Christian ways as they slowly work in the incorrect Mormon dogma.
You already have declared yourself a polytheist in these very pages, something that any Christian knows is patiently false, the bible is very clear on the subject.
The process has begun.
The question will be how deep will the bring you in before that little light finally goes off that everything is a little TOO perfect...
Very good. That is an excellent point.
I do. Thank you for your graciousness.
Well I figured you could bat much above 100...
Sandy! You always know how to make an entrance, girl :-)
Greyfoxx39:
I think that's a paragraph worth thinking about. That's the kind of thing which led to my remarks which you found so objectionable. Look at the remark of ejonesie22 to which Saundra Duffy's post is a response:
Satan's grip has to be broken first by the exposure of false doctrine and the actions of the enablers of evil and the veil of those taken in by such ripped away before any try at witnessing can begin.
I may be making WAy too much of this, but that the veil must be "ripped away" rather than merely removed with patience, to ME suggests maybe a limited approach.
Even SZonian suggests that by other means of grace the veil was already being lifted before any actual "ripping" began, while Saundra Duffy's anecdote prompts me to think that the approach on which I was reflecting not only lost these folks a possible convert (while they incurred the guilt of humiliating, frightening, and confusing a guest) but cost them someone who until then was a member.
If "prudence" is the virtue of thinking through the results of one's actions and making plans appropriately, I think I can make a case that the virtue of prudence was not practiced by those folks.
Wow. That is some imaginative script.
Sometimes he shared the love. We believe, the love of mushrooms. Who knows what other loves...
Please save me the trouble and consider yourself mugged, so I can go back to being happy that at least you're a sho' 'nuff Trinitarian Christian. Besides, I just don't FEEL like mugging today. It's too hot.
You accused me of calling you a liar, which I never did....so I will not comment on this post.
Would this be personal or "mind-reading"? Real question, no hook attached.
It should be self evident truth.
That it is not is the issue.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 305:
Calling & Election To Be Made Sure
Contend earnestly for the like precious faith with the Apostle Peter, "and add to you faith, virtue," knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity [D&C 4]; "for if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Another point, after having all these qualifications, he lays this injunction upon the people "to make your calling and election sure." He is emphatic upon this subject--after adding all this virtue, knowledge, etc., "Make your calling and election sure." What is the secret--the starting point? "According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness." How did he obtain all things? Through the knowledge of Him who hath called him. There could not anything be given, pertaining to life and godliness, without knowledge. Woe! woe! Woe to Christendom!--especially the divines and priests if this be true.
Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.
Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.
But in the most express and proper usage of the terms, "The elect of God comprise a very select group, an inner circle of faithful members of the Church.... They are the portion of church members who are striving with all their hearts to keep the fulness of the gospel law in this life so that they can become inheritors of the fulness of the gospel rewards in the life to come.
"As far as the male sex is concerned, they are the ones, the Lord says, who have the Melchizedek Priesthood conferred upon them and who thereafter magnify their callings and are sanctified by the Spirit. In this way, 'They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.' " (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 217.) See Commentary 2: 267-269, 271-278, 283-285.
[4] What is meant by making an election sure?
It is with election as with calling: the chosen of the Lord are offered all of the blessings of the gospel on condition of obedience to the Lord's laws; and they, having been tried and tested and found worthy in all things, eventually have a seal placed on their election which guarantees the receipt of the promised blessing.
[5] What is meant by having one's calling and election made sure?
To have one's calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father's kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is "set down" with his "Father in his throne." (Rev 3:21.)
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I posted the original thread. Beyond that, its out of my hands...
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