Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
Space and time are properties of the physical Creation - they are not properties of God the Creator.
God is the first cause and also the final cause of His Creation, both physical and spiritual.
His Name is Alpha and Omega.
LOLOL!
I wasn’t being funny.
(That time.)
1) Protestants do not believe heresies.
2) "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" - Isaiah 5:20
They are not properties of, or restrictions on, the Creator of them.
Truly, God sees "all that there is" all at once. He is beyond space and time. Space/time coordinates do not apply beyond space/time. The beyond is not a location.
Likewise, God is omnipresent and that includes space/time and beyond - and of course, the beginning space/time coordinate which He created in the first place.
On top of all that, God has revealed Himself on occasion "in" space/time, e.g. the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Temple, the burning bush.
Space and time do not apply to the Creator of them.
God's Name is I AM!
Of course, I’ve made so many comments on a crowded thread that I’m not really sure what post you’re laughing at.
So I probably was trying to be funny.
I guess that’s why they think the Vatican System can
tell God He has to install Mary as part of the God-head.
That’s Intercessor, Queen of Heaven and Co-Redemptrix to you, heathen.
(To someone else, it’s a pattern in a burnt piece of toast.)
imho,
it has increasingly appeared over the months the last year or so . . .
that posts over your name have been more and more convoluted and more and more given to twisting word meanings and justificatioins for what . . .
cynicism? nihlism?
What is your goal?
Who are you angry at and why?
Warning . . . God is not greatly moved, if at all by mere human anger, hostility, self-righteousness and pique.
In my experience, He’s MUCH more able to let folks stew in their own juice and just wait them out.
If they NEVER choose to learn at His feet again, it is THEIR choice with THEIR consequences.
This is no different than having a "rational" discussion on the subject 'how many angels can fit on a head of pin."
Theologically speaking, God is everywhere, immanently and transcendentally, but this is driven by the necessity of our man-made definition that God is omnipresent.
So, while he is outside the time and space, he is present in time and space, and resides fully in the physical body of Christ located somewhere, as well as within every believer's heart as an "indwelling Spirit"! Maybe we should just call him the Presence.
It's pointless to talk about things we can't conceive. Which is why I always go back to the basic what is God question, not just "where is God not?". We have to know what we are talking about before we can talk about where something is.
I’ll probably regret replying here, but:
You know Catholic theology no more teaches Mary as part of the Godhead than it teaches UFO aliens are fallen angels.
I’m sure you have more accurate disputes with the Church without using false ones.
Do you see love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ("fruits" of the Holy Spirit) in every Tom, Dick and Harriette who claim to be Chrisitians? I don't.
But when I was in Japan I say a lot of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control in people who were pagan Shintoists, or just plain atheists.
Christians, like many other self-rigtheous religious gfroups, like to talk the talk, thump their chest, toss around their religious pride, and show remakrable lack of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control is you just scratch the surface.
Difficult, I'd agree. But "what is God" is not, theologically, limited by what we can conceive as well. We're kinda stuck with it except for a very basic paganism - maybe not even then.
And what we can conceive is a moving target which has certainly changed over the millennia.
In addition to religion, physics has become difficult if not impossible to conceive. I believe it was Planck who scolded his fellows not to be bound by concepts and contradictions in quantum mechanics.
Anyway, I think, as you likely remember, that concepts are subsets of reality - they are human limitations; and, again, humans tend to continually make it past limitations.
I do share the frustration in discussions some times.
1. La-T-Da! Whooooop-T-Dooooooooooo! I'd rather a childlike understanding and application of a verse or 3 in mangled Swahili connecting intimately with God than a unanimous encyclical by the power-mongering magicsterical in 12 languages.
Why do you despise the TRUTHS OF GOD expressed by Proddys?
2.0 Hard to guess . . . Perhaps . . . most plausibly . . .
2.1 Because of childhood rearing and conditioning and/or
2.2 Sociological adulthood rearing and conditioning and/or
2.3 Successful seductions by satan into the heresies, mangled history, mangled 'Bible,' and mangled daffynitions of the Vatican system. . . . and/or
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2.4 A PERSONAL fascination with ritual, pomp & circumstance, !!!!TRADITION!!!! and a flesh-driven comforting of childhood insecurities by such tangible RITUALS, WORKS ORIENTED !RELIGION! VS RELATIONSHIP and/or
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2.5 the daunting risk of FAITH ALONE TRUSTING GOD ALONE ABSENT THE SLOGGING IT OUT EARNING ONE'S OWN SALVATION THE VATICAN WAY. and/or
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2.6 The self-aggrandizing, self-congratulatory, self-righteousness boost from the efforts to PERFECT ONE'S SELF BY RELIGIOUS RITUALS AND DUTIES--particularly where one or both parents were overt or covert perfectionists. and/or
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2.7 Habitual people pleasing performance addictions again from childhood conditioning transferred in one's mind to God and the RELIGIOUS SYSTEM purported to represent God.
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for starters.
You believe UFOs are piloted by fallen angels too?
Wow. That sure would cut down on conversation.
Do you talk about infinity? Can you conceive what "no end" means?
Do you ever wonder how one sperm bumping into one ovum results in a full-grown human being?
Do you think there might be a color that hasn't been discovered yet? Can you picture it?
There's plenty of things we can't conceive of and yet we still discuss them. That's part of the fun.
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