That's the crux of the matter right there. Examination of mormon belief often leads to leaving it behind and turning to the Cross.
Posted on 06/26/2010 10:13:41 AM PDT by restornu
I know a lot of Christians who consider “church” to be the building. It’s the watering down that comes with humanity’s march through time that has led to that.
But I understand what you’re getting at.
Quite frankly 10, the perverted number of twists and turns necessary to even remotely convert this passage into an argument for tithing and 'priesthood' - in the face of very clear context and statements - is baffling.
OK, so they "placed them at the feet" this is figurative language meaning "into the use of" or "at the disposal of" or do you think they literally placed the money at the Apostle's feet forcing them to bend down and pick it up?
Your argument was that they brought the offering to Peter - my point was that it was brought to the APOSTLES as a group, not Peter alone.
I never said it was Peter's alone, as if it was his property. Peter spoke and only Peter spoke. Why?
Read you posts before you contradict your self at a later point. In post 520 you stated "why did they bring their “offering” to Peter?" Peter spoke because he was one of the primary leaders of the group at that time - as in Acts 2.
Who managed the money? The Holy Ghost? Clearly, the Bible presents an organized Church with a hierarchy.
LOL what a laughable joke and gross misunderstanding of the 'organization' of the church at that time. 10, read and learn better. All there were in leadership were the 12 at this time. No 'hierarchy', no organization, no 'temples', just disciples meeting in peoples homes.
Don't dodge it. You can, if you understand Greek, see that this situation isn't just a drop off of some random offering.
ROTFLAICGU 10, in reviewing your pathetic attempt to use greek to support your claims - and failing miserably - you accuse me of dodging the Greek behind the english translation - oh that is rich. Again, this was a random offering - as the setting for the context is Acts 4:34
34. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Charitable acts and gifts to meet needs of other Christians at the time - not being used to build malls in SLC.
It could fit Restornu's interpretation. It could fit that of the Catholic's as well. That it might, it just might.
The Greek speaks against the interpretation - the context speaks against it and common sense speaks against it. Only gross twisting of the passage, ripped violently out of its context as you've done can it even remotely provide support. As for the Catholic view - I dare say anyone with any degree of reading comprehension will realize it says something else 10.
If admitting that is too tough to swallow, fine. Any objective reader will come to the same conclusions I have.
Lurkers will note the attempt to claim victory even as the LDS Titanic sinks.
By golly, NOW we know why there had to be a "restoration", don't we? Gotta have those mormon church positions and men set aside to fill them to show the world that the early Christians just didn't get it. That's why they are so speshul, I guess.
Do I really need a tag?
That's the crux of the matter right there. Examination of mormon belief often leads to leaving it behind and turning to the Cross.
Problem solved?
Maybe. The problem is that most won’t actually examine the belief. That goes for Mormons, Catholics, other Christians, etc. It’s too scary for most.
Being that I am not Mormon, examination of Mormon beliefs does little more than confirm that I am not Mormon. However, for those who actively argue against the Mormon beliefs, why not try educating non-Mormons so they don’t get caught up in the LDS instead of trying to convince Mormons who refuse to give ground?
In the end, everyone will know God. The only question is what side of the fence they’re on when they meet.
We are well aware that few mormons are moved by our mission, but there are some who have responded to the posts on FR by leaving.
We post for the non-mormon lurkers as well as for the mormon members. There really isn't a method of knowing how many lurkers are turned away from mormonism by the information we post, but these threads garner a lot of views and we believe that there are quite a few who are.
Understood, but would you move her and her children into your house and provide for them. That was the real intent of the law.
-Looks real but is in fact a fraud.
-Deceptively similar but not the truth.
Professes they alone hold the truth and only true church.
It’s leaders distort who Jesus is....though they talk about Jesus it is a different Jesus, and their God a different God.
-They deny Christ's deity.
-They promote works in addition to salvation.
-They use false words, bending and distorting the truth or redefining it all together.
_They undermine the credibility of the Bible..adding additional scriptures or books.
-They are motivated by greed at the heart of their religion.
-They abuse their authority over their followers.
(References which support this...2 Corinthians 11)
And we are not ignorant of their devices....
Below explains why some cannot be deceived by Mormonism and other false/counterfeit Christianity. “rightly handling the word of God”......
“The American Banking Association once sponsored a two-week training program to help tellers detect counterfeit bills. The program was unique—never during the two-week training did the tellers even look at a counterfeit bill, not did they listen to any lectures concerning the characteristics of counterfeit bills . . . All they did for two weeks was handle authentic currency, hour after hour and day after day, until they were so familiar with the true that they could not possibly be fooled by the false.” Ben Patterson, Waiting (Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 1989),
I'd do the best I could but the law was for continuing the dead brother's name and inheritance in Israel.
I didn’t know they had bicycles for their ‘elders’ back then.
Why do you keep pinging me, troll?
It amazes me how easily you lie and twist things. It really does.
Do you consider Mormons Chrsitians?
Thank God Almighty, I do not have to work for my Salvation as I would fall short.
Thank God Almighty I am covered by the blood of the Lamb.
Thank God I am free in Jesus Christ, and not bound by death (works and legalism).
Thank God Almighty that He loved me enough to Sacrifice His Only Begotten Son, when I did not deserve it.
However, for those who actively argue against the Mormon beliefs, why not try educating non-Mormons so they don’t get caught up in the LDS instead of trying to convince Mormons who refuse to give ground?
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Why not do both?
A lot of Mormons DO ‘give ground’. LDS is hemmoraging members at a faster rate every year.
CC, grey, SZ, Sentiel and I were all LDS at one point. Now, we are all Christians.
I know I do not speak only for myself, that much of that process was because people REFUSED to ‘go along get alone’, or ‘stop wasting their time’ or ‘not bother because’ I ‘would not give ground’. They kept witnessing, banging their head against the wall, ticking me off, telling about the errors of Mormonism, debating and fighting as well as praying.
Guess what? They broke down the walls and got through to me. It is NEVER hopeless.
Amen.
We are Free indeed and not because of anything we do.
In my admittedly limited knowledge of the Mormon faith, no. I used to, because I was one of those who felt any faith that followed Christ and believed in Christ as the Messiah was Christian.
And then I learned that Salvation through Grace is apparently not sufficient to the Mormons. I also considered the addition of the Book of Mormon, and held it against some of the warnings in the Bible, then learned more about Mormon history and its questionable foundation.
Do I hold this against Mormons? No, I don’t. Not any more than I look down on those who get suckered by the telephone scams or the slick used car salesman. The only thing I hold against the Mormons is when they try to convert me (or others) while at the same time saying “just leave us alone to believe what we believe.”
I think the religion itself is flawed and dangerous, and is to be avoided. But the people are frail and fallen, just like the rest of us, so I pray for them instead of hating them.
But no, I do not believe they are Christian.
This is nicely stated. I may quote you in the future.
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