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The fight over Book of Mormon geography
Mormon Times ^ | May 27, 2010 | Michael DeGroote

Posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:33 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian; John McDonnell
Anybody reading about the Book of Mormon jesus having an anger fit upon dying, smoting 70,000 - 90,000 people with fiery, watery, and earthy deaths - would have to proclaim John/Jesus re: John 3:17 words as "lyin'" words!

Consider what had happened to Jesus immediately prior - the nation of Israel rejected Him and cruxified Him. Did Jesus vent death and destruction of Jerusalem upon His resurrection - certainly they deserved it, they had heard his very voice. Yet while on the cross Jesus said "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do" Yet to an alledged peoples who hadn't heard his voice, he arrives by killing tens of thousands. That's not my King, thats not my Jesus.

641 posted on 06/01/2010 9:10:34 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: reaganaut
Flying Inman Remembrance Day Placemarker


642 posted on 06/01/2010 9:12:31 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: restornu
"Many in the mainstream are far more guilty of coercing then those who are LDS this is the fact!"

Please provide a verifiable source or retract the statement.

643 posted on 06/01/2010 9:25:02 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: restornu
"It is not hard to defend when I experience it and no longer thrist for more."

This directly contradicts your claims that you are waiting the "more yet to be revealed". Are you saying that there is no further "revelation" coming? If so, why do you need your prophet?

644 posted on 06/01/2010 9:27:21 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian; restornu
Wait, Resty contradicted herself?

Say it ain't so...

645 posted on 06/01/2010 1:02:23 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

And in other news, the sun rose in the east today...


646 posted on 06/01/2010 1:31:18 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
Consistency is the key to success for the best “anti-Mormon” on these forums...
647 posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:15 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Godzilla
In post #634, I summarized the sequence of events described in the Book of Mormon, showing that the destructions occurred nearly a year prior to the ministry of Jesus Christ in Mesoamerica.

You displayed ignorance of the sequence of events described in the Book of Mormon when you wrote:

Yet to an alledged peoples who hadn't heard his voice, he arrives by killing tens of thousands.

That statement can be proven false by reading the Third Book of Nephi. When Jesus Christ descended in a white robe nearly a year after the destructions that occurred while He suffered on the cross, He taught the people, healed them, blessed their children, etc.

So you have misrepresented what the Book of Mormon teaches. The recent sinkhole tragedy in Book of Mormon lands cannot fail to remind those familiar with the Third Book of Nephi of the destructions that occurred nearly 2000 years ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/storm-agatha-hole-guatemala

648 posted on 06/01/2010 3:54:43 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell

It is best not to take this “it” too serious it is so over the top with contempt for the LDS!

On the computer one can not tell if they wressle with a being or a red tail devil!


649 posted on 06/01/2010 4:09:45 PM PDT by restornu (Come to Zion)
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To: Colofornian
It should be noted that Joseph Smith, the translator of the Book of Mormon, after reading an 1841 book by John Lloyd Stephens describing ruins in Central America, came to the conclusion that Book of Mormon peoples lived in Central America.

Here are some statements by Joseph Smith that appeared in 1842 in the church magazine Time and Seasons:

"Mr. Stephens' great developments of antiquities are made bare to the eyes of all the people by reading the history of the Nephites in the Book of Mormon. They lived about the narrow neck of land, which now embraces Central America, with all the cities that can be found. Read the destruction of cities at the crucifixion of Christ, pages 459-60. Who could have dreamed that twelve years would have developed such incontrovertible testimony to the Book of Mormon? surely the Lord worketh and none can hinder."

"Since our 'Extract' was published from Mr. Stephens' 'Incidents of Travel,' &c., we have found another important fact relating to the truth of the Book of Mormon. Central America, or Guatimala [Guatemala], is situated north of the Isthmus of Darien and once embraced several hundred miles of territory from north to south.-The city of Zarahemla, burnt at the crucifixion of the Savior, and rebuilt afterwards, stood upon this land as will be seen from the following words in the book of Alma:-'And now it was only the distance of a day and half's journey for a Nephite, on the line Bountiful, and the land Desolation, from the east to the west sea; and thus the land of Nephi, and the land of Zarahemla was nearly surrounded by water: there being a small neck of land between the land northward and the land southward.' [See Book of Mormon 3d edition, page 280-81.]

"It is certainly a good thing for the excellency and veracity, of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon, that the ruins of Zarahemla have been found where the Nephites left them: and that a large stone with engravings upon it as Mosiah said; and a 'large round stone, with the sides sculptured in hieroglyphics,' as Mr. Stephens has published, is also among the left remembrances of the, (to him,) lost and unknown. We are not going to declare positively that the ruins of Quirigua are those of Zarahemla, but when the land and the stones, and the books tell the story so plain, we are of opinion, that it would require more proof than the Jews could bring to prove the disciples stole the body of Jesus from the tomb, to prove that the ruins of the city in question, are not one of those referred to in the Book of Mormon."

If these statements sound a little overenthusiastic, they at least show that Joseph Smith believed that archaeology would eventually prove that the Book of Mormon is true.

650 posted on 06/01/2010 5:25:00 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; ...

That does not change the fact that while Christ was dying for the sins (saving) of man, and people were being resurrected in Jerusalem, HE WAS KILLING THOUSANDS IN America (according to the BoM) who never even knew him.

That is irreconcilable.


651 posted on 06/01/2010 7:05:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Huh? Christ the Killer?

That doesn’t go with any Christmas music I ever heard. Not even X-mas songs.


652 posted on 06/01/2010 7:09:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: reaganaut

Huh? Christ the Killer?

Shouldn’t that be Christ the Redeemer?

Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.

Refrain
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.

Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.

Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.

Doesn’t sound like no killer...


653 posted on 06/01/2010 7:11:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Godzilla

Worth a repost, it’s not my Jesus either.

Consider what had happened to Jesus immediately prior - the nation of Israel rejected Him and cruxified Him. Did Jesus vent death and destruction of Jerusalem upon His resurrection - certainly they deserved it, they had heard his very voice. Yet while on the cross Jesus said “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” Yet to an alledged peoples who hadn’t heard his voice, he arrives by killing tens of thousands. That’s not my King, thats not my Jesus.


654 posted on 06/01/2010 7:17:08 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Vendome

Yep. According to the Book of Mormon, Jesus killed tens of thousands in America upon His death because of their wickedness and then spoke from the sky and bragged about it.

http://scriptures.lds.org/3_ne/8

It is one of the most disgusting lies about the Savior there is.


655 posted on 06/01/2010 7:23:02 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: John McDonnell; reaganaut

What in the dickens is this nonsense? Jesus killed a bunch of people and then spoke an explanation? That he spared some because they were “more righteous” and then begged them to come to Him?

This shows an astounding lack of understanding. If one is going to make a book of fiction about Jesus, God the Son, the Messiah, at least have a third grade understanding about what “righteousness” is.

(HInt: if you are not already “in Him” you have as much righteousness as dog poo)


656 posted on 06/01/2010 7:26:08 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: T Minus Four

(HInt: if you are not already “in Him” you have as much righteousness as dog poo)

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Amen, Sister.

And ‘stunningly beautiful’ it is not.


657 posted on 06/01/2010 7:35:39 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Hmph!


658 posted on 06/01/2010 7:35:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Hmph!

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Yep. That says it all.


659 posted on 06/01/2010 7:38:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

What was Resty’s response on that other thread? Weird.

I would think she would be outraged at the behavior of that “so-called” pastor and his lame-ass congregants.


660 posted on 06/01/2010 7:40:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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