Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
God does not justify you be prideful and call yourself a Saint.
Does humility ring a bell with you?
Cannonization is a meaningless idolatrous, humanist ceremony conducted by upper echelon Nicolaitanos.
Tell that to Saint Peter ,Paul, Luke ,John etc.. The Catholic Church celebrates their lives too
Thank you! W00t!
Duh.
It is a shame when somebody rejects the Catholic Church without first learning what she teaches.
Indulgences are not about forgiveness of sins. If you want to argue against indulgences, I'd encourage you to learn what they are first.
“Tell that to Saint Peter ,Paul, Luke ,John etc.. The Catholic Church celebrates their lives too”
And they all repudiated it, 400 years before the ‘catholic’ church was born.
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It’s mistaken to say that “Mary was just ordering the servants to do something...”. The only thing Mary told the servants was: “do whatever He tells you” The “something” she ordered in no way can be construed as Mary telling her Son what to do.
To her Son, she simply stated a fact: “They have no wine.”
This is one of those things that I am tired of seeing repeated over and over again.
Mary did not order the servant to do anything.
BTW, the servant could have refused. He did not, and for that he was graced to be the first person recorded to have witnessed the miracle of water into wine.
“”Jerome did not agree with the apocrypha books being inspired””
Saint Jerome quotes them as inspired...
These instances have been just touched upon by me (the limits of a letter forbid a more discursive treatment of them) to convince you that in the holy scriptures you can make no progress unless you have a guide to shew you the way...Genesis ... Exodus ... Leviticus ... Numbers ... Deuteronomy ... Job ... Jesus the son of Nave ... Judges ... Ruth ... Samuel ... The third and fourth books of Kings ... The twelve prophets whose writings are compressed within the narrow limits of a single volume: Hosea ... Joel ... Amos ... Obadiah ... Jonah ... Micah ... Nahum ... Habakkuk ... Zephaniah ... Haggai ... Zechariah ... Malachi ... Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel ... Jeremiah also goes four times through the alphabet in different metres (Lamentations)... David...sings of Christ to his lyre; and on a psaltry with ten strings (Psalms) ... Solomon, a lover of peace and of the Lord, corrects morals, teaches nature (Proverbs and Ecclesiastes), unites Christ and the church, and sings a sweet marriage song to celebrate that holy bridal (Song of Songs) ... Esther ... Ezra and Nehemiah. . Jerome, Letter LIII.6-8, pp. 98-101).
Nope he put the non canonical texts in a separate mediative section.. not in with the jewish canon
Nonsense!
From the words of Saint Ignatius who was a disciple of Saint John
"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).
...... Referring to the work of Augustine and Jerome, Davidson, says: "Both were unfitted for the critical examination of such a topic." ("Canon", p. 200).
“Nope he put the non canonical texts in a separate mediative section.. not in with the jewish canon”
The OT cannon was set by the scribes that maintained it, counting it character by character, lest there be any error.
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And where is the edict by God declaring Ignatius to be his arbitor?
This is Nicolaitanism, pure and simple!
Christ denounced it in the letters to the churches.
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The role of “bishop” was “overseer “ not an ecclesiastical role as seen today
Notice no priests mentioned.. no priesthood.. because Christ fulfilled the type
My priest(s)have NEVER told me that they needed to supervise my reading of the Bible. If they are smart, pious, faithful, scholarly guys, I will sometimes consult with them. Last year when I began a month long siege on Ephesians, I kind of checked with a visiting Dominican. But this summer I'm blitzing John and haven't asked anybody, though I may contact a couple of learned guys as I go along.
In my former parish I started and taught a weekly "Bible class" Our pastor never checked on me or anything.
So, my experience is entirely different from yours.
- I have been encouraged to read the Bible.
- I have been encouraged to read the Bible on my own.
If somebody were to tell me that the Catholic Church discourages reading the Bible or only encouraged it within a catholic Setting (whatever that might be) or under the supervision of a priest, the only "complicating factor" that I would find would be that the person was not speaking the truth.
I would then wonder why someone would give an account of the Church that was so different from my experience of the past 16 years as a Catholic.
The truth, as I have experienced it, is a complicating factor to some charges made against the Catholic Church
The council of Jamnia did not believe Christ was Divine-Go ahead and believe what they thought
Here is more from Jerome quoting the Deuts led by the Holy Spirit..
“Yet the Holy Spirit in the thirty-ninth(9) psalm, while lamenting that all men walk in a vain show, and that they are subject to sins, speaks thus: “For all that every man walketh in the image.”(Psalm 39:6) Also after David’s time, in the reign of Solomon his son, we read a somewhat similar reference to the divine likeness. For in the book of Wisdom, which is inscribed with his name, Solomon says: “God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.”(Wisdom 2:23) And again, about eleven hundred and eleven years afterwards, we read in the New Testament that men have not lost the image of God. For James, an apostle and brother of the Lord, whom I have mentioned above—that we may not be entangled in the snares of Origen—teaches us that man does possess God’s image and likeness. For, after a somewhat discursive account of the human tongue, he has gone on to say of it: “It is an unruly evil ... therewith bless we God, even the Father and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.”(James 3:8-9) Paul, too, the “chosen vessel,”(Acts 9:15) who in his preaching has fully maintained the doctrine of the gospel, instructs us that man is made in the image and after the likeness of God. “A man,” he says, “ought not to wear long hair, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God.”(1 Cor. 11:7) He speaks of “the image” simply, but explains the nature of the likeness by the word “glory.” Jerome, Letter 51, 6, 7, NPNF2,
Council of Nicaea I
“It has come to the knowledge of the holy and great synod that, in some districts and cities, the deacons administer the Eucharist to the presbyters [i.e., priests], whereas neither canon nor custom permits that they who have no right to offer [the Eucharistic sacrifice] should give the Body of Christ to them that do offer [it]. And this also has been made known, that certain deacons now touch the Eucharist even before the bishops. Let all such practices be utterly done away, and let the deacons remain within their own bounds, knowing that they are the ministers of the bishop and the inferiors of the presbyters. Let them receive the Eucharist according to their order, after the presbyters, and let either the bishop or the presbyter administer to them” (Canon 18 [A.D. 325]).
Where did you ever get the false notion that God used those people???
And we became Saints when we accepted Jesus as our Savior...
Why does this not surprise me coming out of the mouth of someone who believes it's possible that satan had sex with eve and produced Cain and thinks the Nestorians were the true Christians of their day
And you suggest further that a capacity for abuse does not render them a bad thing.
My comment was concerning their history, that of abuse renders them a bad thing. and the position of the Catholic church toward the Scriptures as quoted, shows what conclusion might be drawn about encouragement of Bible reading.
In short, indulgences have always been an example of moral and spiritual rot and handing out rot for a good purpose does not change the practice into something else.
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