Posted on 04/21/2010 11:32:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Beautiful post, Joya.
The conceptual murderers of the transcendent Creator are motivated by monstrously-inflated jealousy and envy. In their conceit of ‘self’ they see ‘self’ as the equal and/or better than God. For example, consider Hitchens accusations-— they are judgments against God. Hitchens in other words, is sitting in judgement of his Creator, and as both judge and jury, Hitchens finds God guilty as charged. Hitchens is nothing but a self-inflated monster.
From Hegel to Comte, Feuerbach, Marx, Nietzsche, and others,all of these self-inflated monsters rejected the invitation to heaven and want no others to go their either. By way of the conceptual murder of God they have deceptively barred the way to heaven. Jesus Christ announced its’ opening; self-idolizing monsters closed it down by trickery.
Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor, knowing better, may have advocated the active pursuit of sin out of a simple lust for power, just as did the sophists of ancient Athens, but I submit that modern Liberals, even when in their earlier larval stage (in the ‘60s, ‘70s, and ‘80s), were fully aware of the consequences arising from their behavior, and they don’t care. It’s no longer possible to escape the knowledge of their miscreant behavior. The stench of Nazi death camps, the despair of Soviet gulags, the horror of Dung’s pogroms, make it impossible to ignore.
Hence perhaps, xzins’ reference to “The all-important question throughout any constitution class should be: “What does it actually say?” and not “What does it mean?” Not that it would have had any effect on the evildoers, but it might have given pause to many of their ignorant and slavish followers.
Maybe I’m doing nothing more than saying what you’ve already said more elegantly.
”Of course that’s pretty speculative . . . ”
Likewise my response, dear betty
Indeed. To put it mildly.
From what I hear, Hitchens is a rather "loose-living" individual. He doesn't much like any kind of "moral code" or rule unless he made it up himself, for himself, by himself.
In effect, he has chosen to remove himself from the norms and customs of the society to which he naturally belongs by birth.
In short, he has chosen to live in the Solipsism Zone. Good luck to him.
What can one say about such an individual, except that, somewhere along the line, he got seriously "disordered?" So much so, that he no longer really cares about anything outside of himself and his self-interest — however he chooses mysteriously, arbitrarily to define THAT?
Dear brother in Christ, you are always a breath of fresh air.... Thank you ever so much for writing.
Yes, dear brother in Christ. That was my point. At least with regard to some of the antagonists.
I hold it for this reason: Dostoyevsky's Grand Inquisitor is qualitatively different than a Napoleon Bonaparte, or a Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Dong (spelling!!!), Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez, et al. (All extraordinarily gifted sophists.)
And all are/were imperialistic system builders. All are evil in that their little "projects" cost an incalculable amount in terms of human suffering, blood, and treasure.
The difference between these mutts and the Grand Inquisitor is this: The mutts do what they do personally, out of perceived self-advantage. The Grand Inquisitor does what he does, quite impersonally, on principle.
Somehow, I feel in my bones that the Grand Inquisitor is the very model of "the mystery of iniquity."
On that last point, I could use a whole lot more light....
Thank you so very much, dear brother, for your outstanding essay/post!
Quite so. Quite so.
And thanks for your other kind reply following this one . . . you are right, as usual, of course.
tHx.
Sorry.
dogpile.com or google is your only hope.
That was decades ago, IIRC.
around . . . 1974-1976-ish.
PLENTY TRUE.
In Hitchens’ view, this is not to be borne.
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yeah, I’ve noticed that outrageous arrogance seems to run in the fools-that-deny-God family.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
And as evidence, when that group grew up and became the movers and shakers in the Clinton Administration and State Department, they didn't lift a finger to prevent 800,000 Rwandans being brutally massacred.
Of course they were deeply saddened afterwards.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
And all are/were imperialistic system builders. All are evil in that their little "projects" cost an incalculable amount in terms of human suffering, blood, and treasure.
The difference between these mutts and the Grand Inquisitor is this: The mutts do what they do personally, out of perceived self-advantage. The Grand Inquisitor does what he does, quite impersonally, on principle.
snip: Your point being that our modern antagonists embrace evil incarnate, whereas their ancient predecessors (as an example, offering the sophists and politicos of ancient Athens) were merely afflicted with an overwhelming power lust.
Yes, dear brother in Christ. That was my point. At least with regard to some of the antagonists.
Spirited: Bettys’ position is emminently sensible in my opinion. Some of our best and brightest thinkers, such as Tolkien and CS Lewis, posit that from the time of the Fall, mankind had been increasingly wandering in the mists of forgetfulness. Thus it was, noted GK Chesterton, that by the the time of the fall of the Greco-Roman civilization, demons walked about openly. By this he means that there were men who had become completely possessed, their souls having been booted out into the void. When Dante writes of the dispossessed soul, he places it in hell, whereupon it laments that a demon is walking about in the world doing evil while ‘in my body.’
It is well known that through the Mystery Religions many men and women had not only come into contact with demons but many of them had familiar spirits (demons). But keep in mind that it was in pursuit of power (psychic abilities) and salvation that the ancients contacted demons. Like today’s New Agers, they naively believed that spirits were both good and bad. This naivety was, and remains, due to the belief that some force within nature or cosmos is the first principle, the ‘cause’ of everything and that all things are one-with the force, be it thought of as divine spirit (pantheism= Stoicism, Hegels’ Dialectic) or nondivine atoms (Epicurus, Lucretius=materialism; Marxs’ Dialectical Matter). The atheist system invented by Buddha combines both pantheism and materialism and is the most refined form of monism.
As noted above, the idea that all things are ‘one with’ nature, absolute spirit, etc. is monism. Monism always leads to the erasure of distinctions: between good and evil, between male and female, between God and Lucifer.
The point here is that the ancients contacted the demonic realm out of ignorance while modern nihilists such as Proudhon, Bakunin, Bauer, Marx, Alinsky, etc. were not ignorant, they did know. Without doubt, they knew. Yet knowing, they nevertheless rebelled against God the Father and lauded Lucifer as the first ‘free thinker.’ Which brings us to bettys’ claim that “our modern antagonists embrace evil incarnate.”
Excellent points.
Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor is qualitatively different than a Napoleon Bonaparte, or a Hitler,
Spirited: Collectively, the Grand Inquisitor is Nechaev, Bakunin, Proudhon, Marx, et al, and what all have in common is that by their nature they are satanic men, the terrible-willed murderers of God. In that Hitler willfully made a pact with the forces of darkness ( I have that quote somewhere) and Rauschning reports that ‘something’ unseen to all others was terrifying Hitler at night, sending him into gibbering paroxysms of fear, it seems to me that Hitler may well be at the least,a Grand Inquisitor type. And if not, then it appears that the Grand Inquisitor-—the devilish version-—was making ready to ‘collect,’ per the pact entered into by Hitler.
Exactly. And, you can name similar slaughter houses the world around. But you know that.
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