As though 100% of the INSTITUTIONAL
obfuscations, dodges, rationalizations etc. over the last decades have been all
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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
Amen!
My husband, an ex-RC schooled by Jesuits through grad school and now a grateful Presbyterian and rabid reformer, says the same thing.
If you really want to know what the RCC teaches, ask an ex-RC.
They know why they left. And now they know the truth.
First of all, I was responding to another poster's comment that St. Paul was very highly educated, and thus very knowledgeable. I said in response that St. Paul's level of sophistication did not impress me. So, it's possible that you have misread that comment from the beginning.
And as for this: "well, Judith, I would suggest you study more to show yourself approved." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What fertilizer!
Jesus said to make disciples, baptize them, teach them all the things he had commanded. (Matt. 28:19,20)
The shepherds were to protect the flock from wolves. (John, chapter 10)
The food was epignosis, an accurate knowledge of God and the one He sent forth, Christ. (John 17:3)
“So, I'm winging it here, but it SEEMS that the deal is the twelve teach, break bread, say prayers. It's pretty much consistent with Catholic thought, I'd venture that that's what we expect of our popes and bishops.”
So why do you have a billion(s) dollar scandal? How is that the avoidance of scandal took precedence over the shepherding, the protection of Christ's flock?
If Bishops, Cardinals, Archbishops, the most powerful and responsible men in the Catholic church can rise to their positions without understanding their own teachings about moral accountability, what does that say of the system that produces them?
“But before we get into the time sequence of forgiveness and repentance, how long had the incest been going on before Paul found out about it? Do you KNOW there weren't other perversions in the congregation that the locals thought they could handle themselves? Do you KNOW they handled them correctly? Do you KNOW that they guy who repented committed no further perverted acts? If tomorrow they discovered a text which conclusively showed that he fell again, would you accuse Paul of failing in his apostolic duty?”
You're asking me to respond to questions that neither of us know the answer to or can know and to events that haven't
happened and have no basis to even hypothesize about. I don't do that.
Not much beer and giving up chocolate for Lent? Now that's just wrong. Cheers.
It’s easy to state that they were “trying to gloss over”, but no one can be certain of that opinion unless they can read the minds of those who drafted the documents. Without that kind of specific knowledge, the charge is without merit and becomes just something to say.
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Yes and no.
No, we can’t assert 100% accurately any mind reading conclusions of individuals.
However, we CAN observe and infer from FUNCTIONAL OBSERVATIONS—and the organizational, political, sociological results—something of what the goals, motives & desired results were.
We aren’t, after all, really idiots.
Did we miss read your comment when you wrote of Paul “I think he may have been insane”???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=548#548
Oh, I slightly differ . . .
I think the Vatican has changed by degrees over the centuries . . . becoming increasingly skilled at managing . . . at achieving white-washed, polished, refined presentments of the EDIFICE in their capacities to obfuscate, defend, put the best face and lipstick on the ugliest snout etc.
At least we’re not “insane,” like some think Paul was.
You have a point.
Misread. No. I still think he may have been. It's just amazing that all the brickbats haven't changed my mind, LOL! If bigotry is the consequence of taking St. Paul literally, then I have to reassert the comment.
And a big pat on the back to those of sound mind!
People will try but it will require them setting up a strawman for that purpose.
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OF COURSE! WELL SAID.
However, as we have seen, that’s not a HUGE problem for them.
The straw dog factory is next door to the white hanky factory and both have a large labor force of faithful sheeple.
He was the preeminent preacher of the Gospel. He was God's gift to you and me. Enjoy him.
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." -- 1 Corinthians 6:19-20"Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
And another big pat on the back to everyone else!
I used to would have thought that your discrimmination skills were better than that.
Oh, I see . . .
it’s that old
SAME
VS
DIFFERENT
handicap that so many Roman Catholics et al seem to have such a problem with.
My error. I forgot.
So, if I understand this slippery-ness right . . .
you are saying that Paul plays the same tune as the Mormons in concocting a different presentation of himself in a very deceptive way to convince the prospect that the prospect and the INSTITUTION are identical in key respects.
I realize that because of the Roman Catholic et al handicap in being unable [or unwilling?] to manage, to reach effective navigation of the
SAME
VS
DIFFERENT
canyon . . .
that the following might escape most of them . . . however,
to me
I see Paul as saying that to an intellectual, he’ll present the Gospel in an intellectual way. To a tent-maker, he’ll present it in a tent-making vernacular. To a sailer, he’ll present it in the metaphors of the sea. To a carpenter, he’ll present The Gospel from the perspective of a crapenter . . . to a farmer . . . in terms of planting and harvesting . . . to a stone mason . . . in terms of foundations and structures.
There’s nothing deceptively duplicitous in Paul’s efforts.
There’s nothing full of rubbery, double standard manipulative logic traps in Paul’s meaning and style.
Sadly, every time I try to read St. Paul now, I think of your posts. Completely ruins it for me. I think I’ll leave myself to God. He can do with me as He wishes, and if He wants me to read St. Paul, I’m certain I will.
It’s sad how a nice comment like this one of yours can be so obscured by all the other ones you’ve posted.
As though 100% of the INSTITUTIONAL
obfuscations, dodges, rationalizations etc. over the last decades have been all
" To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." -- Romans 1:7
And a big pat on the back to everyone else, too!
I suppose it depends on what “like Paul was” means.
LOL.
I’m confident that many of the rabid folks would assert that I’m MUCH MORE insane than Paul was!
LOL.
I think I’ll go with God’s assessment. He knows where the accuser of the Bretheren vs reality starts and stops.
Though . . . as Eric Fromm asserted . . . in an insane society . . . e.g. as the one Othuga and the globalists are so busy constructing . . . only the insane are truly sane.
LOL.
No thanks. I'm afraid it will affect me as it has you.
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