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Sociologist compares today's crisis to Nazi smear campaign
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 4/17/2010 | John L. Allen

Posted on 04/17/2010 5:46:07 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Natural Law
when they realize that their clergy lacks the stature and spiritual integtity of the Catholic Bishops,

ROTFLOL.

Thank you, dear Jesus, God and only Savior, for preventing me from the blasphemous idolatry practiced by the RCC of believing my pastor to be "another Christ."

akin to Penis Envy

Ah, finally something the Vatican knows well.

Why does everything the papacy thinks about have to do with penises?

This unhealthy preoccupation with male sexuality is unseemly. Just look at the trouble Ratzinger is in for protecting his pederast priests from prosecution.

41 posted on 04/17/2010 1:29:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law
Nothing elfish about it. Crosier Envy, akin to Penis Envy, is a mental disorder among the lesser denominations in which, when they realize that their clergy lacks the stature and spiritual integtity of the Catholic Bishops, results in feelings of inferiority and psychic conflict. Illogical lashing out, defaming and confabulation are common symptoms. You got it bad.

LOL. You people can be so amusing at times. There may be some protestants who are envious of the rich pagan traditions of the Papists but I doubt many Christians are. Our Father is God. Your holy father was in the Hitler Youth.

42 posted on 04/17/2010 1:36:40 PM PDT by Tramonto
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Why does everything the papacy thinks about have to do with penises?"

Did you get that from the bong and Ouija Board or did a Machen apparition tell you that? For one who attempts to play self appointed FR Hall Monitor your attempts at mind reading are woefully hypocritical.

43 posted on 04/17/2010 1:38:45 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Tramonto

lol. AMEN!


44 posted on 04/17/2010 1:39:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law

No, I got it straight from your post 38.


45 posted on 04/17/2010 1:41:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Tramonto
"Your holy father was in the Hitler Youth."

What greater testimony to the redemptive powers of the Catholic that a young man can, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, overcome that beginning and become a direct participant in the Apostolic succession. Dare we say it was a Road to Damascus like event?

46 posted on 04/17/2010 1:42:05 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
1 Timothy 2: 8 3 It is my wish, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or argument. 9 Similarly, (too,) women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, 10 but rather, as befits women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. 11 A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 4 She must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed.

Thank you, dear Jesus, God and only Saviour, for the Scripture opposing the blasphemous doctrines of the children of the Reformation which cause people to believe that Reformed women should instruct men. Women of the Reformation are easily deceived and often transgress. Let us pray that they assume only the role that God meant for them, according to Paul, and stay out of things that they were not intended to do, for Reformed women are extremely liable to error, as Paul says. And we have a complete posting history which justifies his instruction.

47 posted on 04/17/2010 1:43:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I agree that women should not be ordained as pastors. Neither the OPC nor the PCA ordain women.

I like what Calvin said on this topic...

“Two years ago, John Knox in a private conversation, asked my opinion respecting female government. I frankly answered that because it was a deviation from the primitive and established order of nature, it ought to be held as a judgment on man for his dereliction of his rights just like slavery — that nevertheless certain women had sometimes been so gifted that the singular blessing of God was conspicuous in them, and made it manifest that they had been raised up by the providence of God, either because he willed by such examples to condemn the supineness of men, or thus show more distinctly his own glory. I here instanced Huldah and Deborah.” (John Calvin in a letter to William Cecil, 1559)

Note that nowhere in Scripture are pastors forbidden to marry.

And nowhere in Scripture are pastors called to be "another Christ."

And nowhere in Scripture are pastors given license to sexually abuse young boys and to have their putrid, God-denying crime secretly cover up by church authorities.

Yet the papacy contradicts all three.

Flee from idolatry, Mark. It will only end badly.

48 posted on 04/17/2010 1:56:33 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law
8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.[b] 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Matthew 23:8-12

From the Hitler Youth to exalting himself as the "holy father" is a step in the wrong direction.

49 posted on 04/17/2010 1:57:58 PM PDT by Tramonto
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I agree that women should not be ordained as pastors. Neither the OPC nor the PCA ordain women.

The OPC is as irrelevant as Ralph Nader. I said nothing about ordaining women. I quoted Paul in terms of Reformed women instructing men.

Note that nowhere in Scripture are pastors forbidden to marry.

You have redacted Paul, too?

And nowhere in Scripture are pastors called to be "another Christ."

I don't know about your pastors, but Paul says to imitate him, as he imitates Christ. Or is that redacted too?

And nowhere in Scripture are pastors given license to sexually abuse young boys and to have their putrid, God-denying crime secretly cover up by church authorities.

Nope. Nowhere.

Flee from idolatry, Mark. It will only end badly.

Dante says that heretics will wind up in the City of Dis in red hot sepulchers. Do you plan on wearing asbestos underwear when you come up for your Judgement?

50 posted on 04/17/2010 2:04:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"And nowhere in Scripture are pastors called to be "another Christ.""

Still unable to comprehend altus Cristus meaning "acting in the place of Christ" instead of "another Christ"?

51 posted on 04/17/2010 2:15:07 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: MarkBsnr
Do you plan on wearing asbestos underwear when you come up for your Judgement?

lol. I plan on thanking God for giving me, a poor sinner, the covering of His Son's perfect righteousness and adherence to the Law of God.

No hope without it.

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." -- 2 Corinthians 5:17-21


52 posted on 04/17/2010 2:22:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law
I comprehend it just fine, thanks.

Rome arrogantly believes its priestcraft to be an "alter Christus" -- another Christ.

Just typing the words produces a shudder. Repent from such clear idolatry. Sooner rather than later.

53 posted on 04/17/2010 2:31:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."

Don't you just hate it when Paul gets all Papist and starts making like he represents Christ or something?

54 posted on 04/17/2010 2:33:26 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Rome arrogantly believes its priestcraft to be an "alter Christus" -- another Christ.

Paul says God appeals through him. (You posted the verse yourself!) Paul says, "Imitate me as I imitate Christ". Paul says, "Now not I live, but Christ lives in me".

If we're idolatrous, so is that, because that's exactly what we're talking about.

55 posted on 04/17/2010 2:35:26 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you plan on wearing asbestos underwear when you come up for your Judgement?

lol. I plan on thanking God for giving me, a poor sinner, the covering of His Son's perfect righteousness and adherence to the Law of God.

How do you know that He has given you, a particular Reformed, salvation?

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Yes, but if you are not in Christ, as many of your postings indicate, then nothing is new and you are dead in your tracks.

I see no evidence of your claimed salvation. Your confession is no different from any in the Branch Davidians or the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Seventh Day Adventists or...

56 posted on 04/17/2010 2:35:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Campion
Men are called to become LIKE Christ.

Men are not called to become Christ.

Repent.

57 posted on 04/17/2010 2:36:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr
How do you know that He has given you, a particular Reformed, salvation?

Because I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, King and Savior.

Read your Bible, Mark. You, too, can have the assurance Christ promises His flock.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

I see no evidence of your claimed salvation. Your confession is no different from any in the Branch Davidians or the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Seventh Day Adventists or...

It certainly doesn't surprise me that you do not recognize faith in Christ. Darkness cannot comprehend light.

58 posted on 04/17/2010 2:39:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Campion
Christ "lives in" believers. Believers do not "become Christ."

But your error is truly the false heart of Rome which fantasizes men can become their own gods by their own good works.

59 posted on 04/17/2010 2:43:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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How do you know that He has given you, a particular Reformed, salvation?

Because I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, King and Savior.

Your posts do not indicate that. Your expressed concept of Jesus is foreign to Christianity.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

Do we need another lesson? I have showed you that this does not mean what you claim.

I see no evidence of your claimed salvation. Your confession is no different from any in the Branch Davidians or the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Seventh Day Adventists or...

It certainly doesn't surprise me that you do not recognize faith in Christ. Darkness cannot comprehend light.

Exactly what your phone booth cult needs to understand.

60 posted on 04/17/2010 2:44:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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