WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'

Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 1-23-10 | James Swan

[Campion]

You have FReepmail.

[Petronski]

What about falsely accusing Pope Benedict’s father of membership in the SS?

[1000 silverlings]

Simon Magus did not receive the gift of the HS. He was baptized. He was not born again

Acts 8:13

Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

[1000 silverlings]

We get called bigots for questioning your theology. Part of your theology that we question, is that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. If I don’t have the exact post then send a complaint to management

[Petronski]

Simon Magus did not receive the gift of the HS. He was baptized.

Your second sentence disproves your first.

[wmfights]

You use Paul as the example of Apostolic succession in the bible, and we know that Timothy ordained Titus who went to Crete and ordained more elders, who went to the ends of the earth, (along with everyone else ordained by all the other Apostles.) Now that is Paul's line.

FWIW, Paul never elevated himself above the local elders.

Yet the Catholic church says the one true church comes from Peter.

And it was Peter that Paul had to correct on more than one occasion that the requirements of the law and tradition were ended.

Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, or a new moon, or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

It was hard to crack that nut of tradition, even for the Apostles.

[Judith Anne]

Do you believe that once saved, always saved?

[SoothingDave]

Simon Magus did not receive the gift of the HS. He was baptized.

Do you believe that receiving the Holy Spirit means you are guaranteed a ticket to Heaven?

[Petronski]

Yet the Catholic Church says the one true church comes from Peter.

No proof there.

The Catholic Church says the one true Church was comes from, was founded by, and is lead by . . . wait for it . . . Jesus Christ.

[1000 silverlings]

Well yes, and they want to claim apostolic succession through Peter,and ignore completely and disparage the work of the HS in the Great Commission that has gone out to the ends of the earth making disciples of all nations, not just one. Consequently, no man on earth can tell us where the true church is, as Christ alone knows. So when they say to you, "Here He is, or there, believe them not".

[SoothingDave]

FWIW, Paul never elevated himself above the local elders.

So, he didn't write a bunch of letters telling them what was what and instructing them on true doctrine and practice?

And it was Peter that Paul had to correct on more than one occasion that the requirements of the law and tradition were ended.

Yes, it was a tough nut to crack, but the point is that Peter made the right decision when all was said and done.

[1000 silverlings]

I don’t believe baptism guarantees you a ticket

[SoothingDave]

Well yes, and they want to claim apostolic succession through Peter,and ignore completely and disparage the work of the HS in the Great Commission that has gone out to the ends of the earth

No, we claim Apostolic succession through all of the Apostles.

I told you this earlier. I even suggested that you contemplate that "apostolic succession" and "Petrine succession" are two different thing.

[Uri’el-2012]

The Catholic Church says the one true Church was comes from, was founded by, and is lead by . . . wait for it . . . Jesus Christ.

There is absolutely no scriptural authority for the RCC.

It was founded at Nicea by Pagans.

[the_conscience]

Do you believe that receiving the Holy Spirit means you are guaranteed a ticket to Heaven?

Of Course! How can one be joined to Christ and the Trinity and not receive glorification? Can Christ deny himself?

If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

[SoothingDave]

Of what point is a conscience if your actions have no consequence?

[the_conscience]

Are you God?

[1000 silverlings]

Well rather than having me have to guess at your theology by the little hints you give, and get into trouble, why don't you just clear it up for us

[SoothingDave]

Simon wasn’t confirmed, as your excerpt shows. Baptisms must be confirmed. (By laying on of hands by a valid bishop or his vicar.)

[SoothingDave]

How did you guess?