PRISSY
PERSPECTIVE!
Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
LOL, we will get you squared away in time.
We appreciate that friendship too. How much longer there will be an active Orthodox presence on FR after this morning is another matter.
Oh come on, we all know the RC's are hyper sensitive. Don't fall into that trap. Jesus will make room for you guys despite your incense and great hats and that's all that really matters.
That's not ad hominem at all. Heavens, what do they teach in Latin class nowadays! :)
I don't object to the using of a universal for a specific group: I was merely illustrating with "Heterodox Presbyterian" what would happen if we wanted to push this point to its conclusion. Clearly most of us consider ourselves Christian, and orthodox, and catholic, even if we are not Orthodox or Catholic.
Great! See you at Mass.
The proper name of those who are members of the church of Jesus Christ is Catholic. Since many Protestants are members of the church of Jesus Christ they are therefore Catholic.
True. Where do you think they get a name like Rabid Calvinists in the first place?
I’m a long ways from Pennsylvania.
That’s okay. The Catholic Church is worldwide. You can send me a snap.
Yes, and that's what most of Protestantism is.
No, those are merely proper deductions made from a series of comments that you made.
If you are satisfied with saying that those statements are a reflection on your deductive reasoning abilities and not a personal attack on me, then so am I.
Source please?
Since many Protestants are members of the church of Jesus Christ they are therefore Catholic.
Sorry. This dog won't hunt. I've been to Protestant Churches when the Nicene Creed was recited - "... one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church" - wouldn't want to get confused with those "Roman Catholics." I even knew a Presbyterian minister who noted in a sermon that he is catholic - but emphasized the lower-case 'c' part.
Amazing—the priorities clung to with a death grip hereon are shockingly amazing.
Nonsense? Our Maronite parish administers communion to Orthodox ... because the Catholic Church recognizes the Orthodox sacrament as valid. As I recall, you have commented on multiple threads, that the Orthodox Church does not allow its faithful to receive Catholic Eucharist.
Here is the Catholic Code of Canon Law on administering the sacraments to Orthodox.
Can. 844 §3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed.
Here is the Orthodox position on Catholics:
Orthodox Christianity does not permit its faithful to receive Holy Communion in non-Orthodox communities, whether they be Roman Catholic, Protestant, or whatever. Hence, while Roman Catholicism may extend Eucharistic hospitality to Orthodox Christians, it does not mean that Orthodox Christians are permitted to accept such hospitality.
Orthodox Church in America
stop_fascism:
You are correct, Catholic Liturgical discpline does not forbit anyone in the Eastern Orthodox Church from partaking in Holy Communion in a Catholic Church whereas baptized Christians from any of the “thousands of Protestant ecclesial communities” may not partake of Holy Communion in a Catholic Church.
So while some Catholics may view the Orthodox as schismatic, this is not the view of the Catholic CHurch in terms of canon law and Liturgical discipline as outlined in the GIRM.
There is only one Church, catholic or Catholic. It is the Catholic Church. All who are validly baptized have at least a limited connection to the Catholic Church, including all validly-baptized Protestants. But in that they have held themselves from formal membership in the Catholic Church, or even any particular church, their communion with the one Church of Jesus Christ is significantly impaired. Thus, in that they refuse to identify with the visible Church of Christ, the Catholic Church in communion with the See of Peter, they are neither Catholic nor catholic.
They are “separated brethren.” They are separated in the sense that they are formally separated from the Church, but they are brethren in that they have some mystical connection to the Church through their baptism.
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It's funny, but I have said that for years. The last time I did so on FR, I was roundly harangued by (Protestants, Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Charismatics) who firmly and proudly proclaimed that they were not Catholic and that they had nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
CCC 836-838:
Who belongs to the Catholic Church?
836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God.... and to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God's grace to salvation."320
837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but 'in body' not 'in heart.'"321
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324
So it sounds like you've got the beginnings of a good handle on the One, Holy, and Catholic marks of the Church. Now we've got to work on the Apostolic part and then we're almost home!
Congratulations!!! Glad to see you spouting good, orthodox Catholic doctrine!!!
No, that's not the "Orthodox position on Catholics", that is the Orthodox position on the propriety of Orthodox Christians receiving communion in non-Orthodox communities. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with what Orthodox position on the Roman Catholic Church is.
The fact of the matter is that what I have posted regarding intercommunion and the moving of lay faithful from one particular church to another in Lebanon and even here among the Orthodox, the Maronites and the Melkites is the absolute truth and you either know it or should know it. Every Maronite does!
Works for me.
TC for short? Gotta have a short version.
Merriam:
Main Entry:
Cath·o·lic
Pronunciation: \ˈkath-lik, ˈka-thə-\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : a person who belongs to the universal Christian church
Your catechisms definitions do not define Catholic. Sorry.
I know it's difficult for those that are a part of a centralized authority structure. We are organized like the early Christian churches at the end of the Apostolic era. Our churches are independent, leadership is picked from within the congregation and our pastors are not elevated in stature. Baptist churches group together in voluntary associations, but these associations do not run our churches.
The distincives for us are we believe in the 2 ordinances set forth in Scripture, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. Our rule of faith is Scripture. We are like other Evangelical churches and only consider creeds and councils if they are consistent with Scripture.
I mean, some Baptists have told me on this forum that they don’t recite or believe in the Nicene Creed, which I consider a fundamental statement of belief.
I haven't run into this, but due to our decentralized structure I'm not surprised. The only reason I can think there would be any opposition to it would be the word catholic. Unfortunately, the word has been redefined over time to mean your Roman church instead of universal which was the original intent.
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