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Avoiding Doomsday Hype and Hysteria
American Vision ^ | Nov 17, 2009 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 11/17/2009 6:46:44 AM PST by topcat54

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To: topcat54; Alamo-Girl; airborne; Amityschild; AngieGal; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; backhoe; ...

It is sooooooooooooooooooo

welcome when you say things that are

100% Biblically WRONG.

It really helps cast your clique’s REPLACEMENTARIAN, preterist, a-mil, post mil perspective in the proper light.

Thanks BIG.

1. For that brazenly false statement to be true, the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION would have already had to have taken place.

2. The two witnesses would have already appeared and lain dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days IN VIEW OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

3. The Mark of The Beast would have had to have been implemented over the WHOLE WORLD.

etc. etc. etc.

It’s such a riot when the lunacy of the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al is so clearly presented by their own foolishness.


81 posted on 11/18/2009 7:35:25 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Actually, there is a good argument to be made for the fulfillment of the abomination of desolation in the acts of Antioches Epiphanes when he killed a pig on the altar in Jerusalem. Thus, it would be fulfilled.

The mark of the beast may be fulfilled as well.


82 posted on 11/18/2009 7:48:19 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette

NOT AT ALL.

1. Does not fit the Scriptural prediction at all.

2. Was not after Israel had been dispersed and brought again to the land of Israel.

3. Was not the world leader Anti-Christ’s image set up in the Holiy of Holies.

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THE MARK OF THE BEAST:

1. Absolutely NO WAY was there any sort of mark that made it IMPOSSIBLE to buy or sell if one did not have it compared to the ID CHIP IMPLANT waiting close in the wings.

2. NO WAY WAS ANY MARK applied to every person of every nation over the whole planet.

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Both assertions are off the wall wrong.

Wrong to Scripture.
Wrong to history.

Worse, they damnably mislead people about the times we are in.


83 posted on 11/18/2009 7:52:38 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

On the dispersal issued I agree-and the proponents of that theory agree as well, since Jesus was warning His own generation to get out of Jerusalem when they started to see the wrath of God fall upon it.


84 posted on 11/18/2009 7:54:49 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette

Then WHY ON EARTH do they still propound an obviously untrue theory?


86 posted on 11/18/2009 7:58:59 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

First, because the historic view is postmillenial - it is what drove the Pilgrims here to begin the “New Jerusalem.”

Second, because the church was weakened dramatically and lost its influence in culture since the date setting gained prevalence.


87 posted on 11/18/2009 8:08:34 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette

Dispensationalism has been traced all the way back to the 1st century.

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I still don’t understand why “Christians” would propound a clearly false theory as fact.

Hair-brained rationalizations just don’t cut it for me.

It sounds like you are telling me that social forces decided truth for a bunch of people.


88 posted on 11/18/2009 8:21:37 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54; WayneS
U-2012>Ignore the xenophobic, jingoistic rantings of preterists.

I’m not feeling any of the Chesed of Yah'shua in these comments. I sense the hypocrite monster at work.

We as followers of the Christ are required to recognize the "signs" of the times starting in Matthew 24:32 discussing the Fig Tree.

Anyone who suggests a date for Christ’s return is a false teacher. That we know for sure.

Rav Sha'ul's charge to Timothy
NAsbU 2 Timothy 4:1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:

2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
May you find Yah'shua in His Word.

Start by turning away from counter-reformation Jesuits.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
89 posted on 11/18/2009 9:02:25 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Quix

“Dispensationalism has been traced all the way back to the 1st century.”

Please substantiate that.

“It sounds like you are telling me that social forces decided truth for a bunch of people.”

Using the same logic, the Westminster and LBC of 1689 catechisms are social forces.


90 posted on 11/18/2009 9:03:05 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette; airborne; Amityschild; AngieGal; auggy; autumnraine; bearsgirl90; beefree; bethtopaz; ..

The dispensational issues have been cited hereon before.

I’m sure you can find good sites that do so.

Perhaps some on the list will care to bother.

I’ve been there and done that enough, it has no attractiveness for me . . . particularly on a teaching day.

I gather you have no real answer as to why “Christians” would still propound a theory they know to be false.


91 posted on 11/18/2009 9:20:53 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
My wording was tentative, a likelihood, possibility, probability etc.

Sure, just like mine. I wasn’t actually there when you were abducted by aliens. Just holding out the possibility.

92 posted on 11/18/2009 10:42:34 AM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: esquirette; Quix
“Dispensationalism has been traced all the way back to the 1st century.”

Please substantiate that.

He can’t. Just be careful when he starts waving his arms about to make you think he has an answer.

It’s just another FUTURIST FANTASY!!

93 posted on 11/18/2009 10:53:49 AM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54

Didn’t sound like that kind of wording to me.


94 posted on 11/18/2009 11:30:24 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54; UriÂ’el-2012; WayneS; Quix
(Uri) "We as followers of the Christ are required to recognize the "signs" of the times starting in Matthew 24:32 discussing the Fig Tree."

(TC) "Anyone who suggests a date for Christ’s return is a false teacher. That we know for sure."

How in the world does one come to the conclusion that recognizing the "signs" of the times is suggesting a date for Christ's return is beyond me. Geezz..

Let's look at Scripture.

1 Peter 1:10,11
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,

11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. (emphasis mine)

We see clearly in Scripture that the prophets of old inquired and searched out what manner of time the Spirit of Christ was indicating when He testified of things to come! We have the example of these prophets that we are to seek out the season the Spirit is speaking about regarding the last days. Let's read the words of Paul.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. (emphasis mine)

We are not in darkness, the Day of the LORD is not to overtake us as a thief. This is because we are AWARE of the times and seasons the Spirit speaks of through the Word of the LORD.

Yah'shua went through great lengths to educate His disciples of the times and seasons, and to prepare them. To disregard the Scriptures and the words of our Savior is horrific and utter folly.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Shalom

95 posted on 11/18/2009 11:34:32 AM PST by JesusBmyGod (Baruch ha'ba B'Shem Yahweh)
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To: topcat54

Actually, that sounds like one of your clique’s fantasies.


96 posted on 11/18/2009 11:37:35 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Start by turning away from counter-reformation Jesuits.

Look, there's one behind you . . . BOOO!





lol

97 posted on 11/18/2009 11:39:37 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Quix
your rabid clique

I predict a thread closing

devotee of the UDDER FANTASY

Fantasy?


98 posted on 11/18/2009 11:41:08 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I am not a navi, nor do I ramble on pretending to be one on teh Interwebz.)
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To: JesusBmyGod

INDEED.


99 posted on 11/18/2009 11:41:08 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lee N. Field

It’s so persistently fascinating when y’all fail to

STOP DIGGING

and have no awareness of the realities involved.


100 posted on 11/18/2009 11:42:59 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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