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Can Non-Catholics Be Saved?
Inside Catholic ^ | October 24, 2009 | Mark Shea

Posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:50 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Iscool

“We bypass the Apostles...”

That is your fundemental error, Our Lord appointed men to lead, they chose successors with the assistance of the Holy Ghost. You choose to ignore that reality. Very sad.


61 posted on 10/25/2009 9:37:46 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: NYer

Where’s the fun in that?!! :-)


62 posted on 10/25/2009 9:38:09 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: Gamecock; NYer; Petronski; Judith Anne

>>I would say that even a Romanist can be saved!<<

So if we can be saved, why all the fuss about how we worship?

Seems that if all can be saved, we have a bigger enemy to fight and wasting time correcting each other, takes away from that fight.


63 posted on 10/25/2009 9:38:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: NYer

as a southern baptist raised in the church in the 60s when it was arguably more fundamental we were never taught Catholics were going to hell

we really did not talk much about catholics so few being around except on the coast

some folks i did hear voice suspicion over the concept of God’s representative on earth which has sort of always been the rub but that was about it


64 posted on 10/25/2009 9:38:50 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Petronski
I notice it does not say "...absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to declare themselves to be be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

The Catholics under Boniface figured one had to declare himself to be subject to your pope because they murdered contless thousands or millions who would not make the declaration...Just more pillows...

65 posted on 10/25/2009 9:40:08 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Petronski
And if raccoons had wings they could fly.

I'll have to remember to bring a broom if I ever go to another Mass (very unlikely)...To swat at the flying raccoons...

66 posted on 10/25/2009 9:45:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Lay off the psilocybin and you won’t need the broom.


67 posted on 10/25/2009 9:46:03 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: ottbmare
~the OTTB mare, trudging slowly toward Rome

You might want to check your compass...Jesus is not in Rome...

68 posted on 10/25/2009 9:48:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer
They cannot be saved.

However, they CAN be invested.

69 posted on 10/25/2009 9:48:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: NYer
The whole article is based on a false premise.

Ekklesia or church are all who are called out by YHvH.

See Deuteronomy 4:10

Deuteronomy 4:10 "{Remember} the day you stood before YHvH your God at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on the earth, and that they may teach their children.'
Defining a man-made enterprise as a "church" is questionable at best.

All who call on the NAME of YHvH will be saved.

Romans 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF YHvH WILL BE SAVED."

Joel 2:32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of YHvH Will be delivered;

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

70 posted on 10/25/2009 9:54:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: narses
“We bypass the Apostles...”

That is your fundemental error, Our Lord appointed men to lead, they chose successors with the assistance of the Holy Ghost. You choose to ignore that reality. Very sad.

And so you pick a few words out of a sentence and try to frame an argument on that??? Can't respond to the entire post eh???, which the gist of is that we go to Jesus for forgiveness at His command...

You are so, Catholic...

71 posted on 10/25/2009 9:55:01 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Defining a man-made enterprise as a "church" is questionable at best.

That ought to give the Calvinists and Lutherans a bit of indigestion.

Thankfully, the Catholic Church was made by God: Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

72 posted on 10/25/2009 9:59:07 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool

When error starts, recognize it, correct it and pray that discernment works. Your error is common and easy to spot. Can you discern it? One hopes.


73 posted on 10/25/2009 9:59:26 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: netmilsmom
Seems that if all can be saved, we have a bigger enemy to fight and wasting time correcting each other, takes away from that fight.

Because there are hundreds of millions of us who believe you guys are leading people to hell with your plan of salvation...We are here in this fight to protect any lurkers who are sitting on the fence as well as inform Catholics of what Jesus actually teaches thru His scriptures...

74 posted on 10/25/2009 10:00:30 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: All
The Roman "church" was created by
Constantine the Pagan out of whole pagan cloth.

Starting by rejecting YHvH's Shabbat,
which Yah'shua observed and blessed.

Then rejecting YHvH's Holy Feasts,
which Yah'shua observed and blessed.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

75 posted on 10/25/2009 10:07:25 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Iscool; netmilsmom; Gamecock; NYer; Petronski; Judith Anne

Iscool says “Because there are hundreds of millions of us who believe you guys are leading people to hell with your plan of salvation...”

Wow, harsh words. Your view?


76 posted on 10/25/2009 10:08:25 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
The Roman "church" was created by Constantine the Pagan out of whole pagan cloth.

And the Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Thankfully for us all, St. Constantine the Great made worship of Christ legal in the early fourth century.

77 posted on 10/25/2009 10:10:48 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
Because there are hundreds of millions of us who believe you guys are leading people to hell with your plan of salvation...

You have a significant proof problem...as usual.

78 posted on 10/25/2009 10:11:35 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
BWAHAHAHAhahaha.....

History isn't your strong suit, is it?

You might note the Malabar Christians, separated from Rome from the start by distance, founded directly by the Apostle Saint Thomas and yet continuously united in Faith and Doctrine even through today with the Holy See. Nota Bene - Constantine never had any knowledge of them nor contact with them.

No knowledge of history is a dangerous thing, false teachings are even more so.

79 posted on 10/25/2009 10:13:07 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: Ottofire; Petronski
And if the Catholic Church at one time taught error, then where are you?

Which error is that?

80 posted on 10/25/2009 10:28:11 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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