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Perfect Storm? After a quiet summer, clouds gather over Rome...
Inside the Vatican ^ | September 24, 2009 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 09/24/2009 12:31:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: kosta50; MarineMomJ

It was a correction without words. The icon is of Our Lady of Perpetual Help, which is venerated in Catholic churches the world over.


101 posted on 09/27/2009 12:22:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: stfassisi

Uh....not quite. Christ will be the one that crushes Satan. Not his mother, Mary.


103 posted on 09/27/2009 1:18:56 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee

“”Christ will be the one that crushes Satan. Not his mother, Mary.””

Mary is united with Christ and participates in crushing the serpent-Mary is the New Eve,typology of scripture bears this out as well as the writings of the early Christians who saw this very clear

From Ineffabilis Deus
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9ineff.htm

Interpreters of the Sacred Scripture

The Fathers and writers of the Church, well versed in the heavenly Scriptures, had nothing more at heart than to vie with one another in preaching and teaching in many wonderful ways the Virgin’s supreme sanctity, dignity, and immunity from all stain of sin, and her renowned victory over the most foul enemy of the human race. This they did in the books they wrote to explain the Scriptures, to vindicate the dogmas, and to instruct the faithful. These ecclesiastical writers in quoting the words by which at the beginning of the world God announced his merciful remedies prepared for the regeneration of mankind — words by which he crushed the audacity of the deceitful serpent and wondrously raised up the hope of our race, saying, “I will put enmities between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed”[13] — taught that by this divine prophecy the merciful Redeemer of mankind, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, was clearly foretold: That his most Blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, was prophetically indicated; and, at the same time, the very enmity of both against the evil one was significantly expressed. Hence, just as Christ, the Mediator between God and man, assumed human nature, blotted the handwriting of the decree that stood against us, and fastened it triumphantly to the cross, so the most holy Virgin, united with him by a most intimate and indissoluble bond, was, with him and through him, eternally at enmity with the evil serpent, and most completely triumphed over him, and thus crushed his head with her immaculate foot.

Here is an example of what the Early Christians believed...

“For as Eve was seduced by the word of an angel to flee from God, having rebelled against His Word, so Mary by the word of an angel received the glad tidings that she would bear God by obeying his Word. The former was seduced to disobey God, but the latter was persuaded to obey God, so that the Virgin Mary might become the advocate of the virgin Eve. As the human race was subjected to death through [the act of] a virgin, so it was saved by a virgin.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:19,1 (A.D. 180).

Here is the typology of the Scripture

Old Testament Eve- Verses New Testament Mary (Typology)

Created without original sin, Gen 2:22-25 = Created without original sin, Luke 1:28,42

There was a virgin, Gen 2:22-25 = There is a virgin, Luke 1:27-34

There was a tree, Gen 2:16-17 = There was a cross made from a tree, Matt 27:31-35

There was a fallen angel, Gen 3:1-13 = There was a loyal angel, Luke 1:26-38

A satanic serpent tempted her, Gen 3:4-6 = A satanic dragon threatened her, Rev 12:4-6,13-17

There was pride, Gen 3:4-7 = There was humility, Luke 1:38

There was disobedience, Gen 3:4-7 = There was obedience, Luke 1:38

There was a fall, Gen 3:16-20 = There was redemption, John 19:34

Death came through Eve, Gen 3:17-19 = Life Himself came through Mary, John 10:28

She was mentioned in Genesis 3:2-22 = She was mentioned in Genesis 3:15

Could not approach the tree of life Gen 3:24 = Approached the “Tree of Life”, John 19:25

An angel kept her out of Eden, Gen 3:24 = An angel protected her, Rev 12:7-9

Prophecy of the coming of Christ, Gen 3:15 = The Incarnation of Christ, Luke 2:7

Firstborn was a man child, Gen 4:1 = Firstborn was a man child, Luke 2:7, Rev 12:5

Firstborn became a sinner, Gen 4:1-8 = Firstborn was the Savior, Luke 2:34

The mother of all the living, Gen 3:20 = The spiritual mother of all the living, John 19:27


112 posted on 09/27/2009 3:26:19 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: OpusatFR; kosta50
I gave an icon to my son, The Trinity. It has three identical figures seated at a table. They have wings. Art or icon? Now I’m confused. I had it blessed.


RUBLEV'S HOLY TRINITY

Icon ... and one of the most highly recognized ones, too! The icon of the Trinity was painted around 1410 by Andrei Rublev. It depicts the three angels who visited Abraham at the Oak of Mamre - but is often interpreted as an icon of the Trinity. It is sometimes called the icon of the Old Testament Trinity. The image is full of symbolism - designed to take the viewer into the Mystery of the Trinity. Here is it's explanation.

113 posted on 09/27/2009 3:30:59 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Religion Moderator is not here right now, I’m covering for him and I’m not nearly as nice. Both of you, knock it off now or you will be looking at lengthy suspensions.
Thanks


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To: OpusatFR

It’s a famous icon. Just another indication that there is festering heresy in the Church at all times.


116 posted on 09/27/2009 4:39:12 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Pyro7480
It was a correction without words. The icon is of Our Lady of Perpetual Help, which is venerated in Catholic churches the world over

Thank you for calrifying that. I wasn't sure what you were trying to say. Sorry. And wasn't it Pope John Paul II who venerated the Black Madonna icon in Poland?

117 posted on 09/27/2009 4:52:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: NYer; OpusatFR
Here is it's explanation.

Except that the "Son" is sitting to the LEFT of the "Father"...LOL!

118 posted on 09/27/2009 4:59:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: stfassisi

Is there any scripture anywhere that says that Mary will come back, in the clouds, and defeat Satan? If so, I’ve missed that. I always believed that Mary was an intercessor re: prayer between mankind and Christ....since Christ could not deny his mother anything regarding prayers asked in her behalf.

I by no means am a biblical scholar, so that’s why I’m asking. If I am incorrect, it would be nice to know.


119 posted on 09/27/2009 6:31:33 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee

“”Is there any scripture anywhere that says that Mary will come back, in the clouds, and defeat Satan? If so, I’ve missed that.””

Dear Friend,it’s important to understand that Mary is united with Christ and SHARES in the victory over satan- this can be seen through foreshadowing in Genesis 3:15

Genesis 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

This is prophecy. Mary by her seed who is Christ is enmity against satan,thus, Mary shares in victory as we see in the New Testament Christ’s striking satan’s head after His heel was bruised(Crucifixion)

“Redemptoris Mater” explains further...
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater_en.html

Excerpt
In the salvific design of the Most Holy Trinity, the mystery of the Incarnation constitutes the superabundant fulfillment of the promise made by God to man after original sin, after that first sin whose effects oppress the whole earthly history of man (cf. Gen. 3:15). And so, there comes into the world a Son, “the seed of the woman” who will crush the evil of sin in its very origins: “he will crush the head of the serpent.” As we see from the words of the Protogospel, the victory of the woman’s Son will not take place without a hard struggle, a struggle that is to extend through the whole of human history. The “enmity,” foretold at the beginning, is confirmed in the Apocalypse (the book of the final events of the Church and the world), in which there recurs the sign of the “woman,” this time “clothed with the sun” (Rev. 12:1).

Mary, Mother of the Incarnate Word, is placed at the very center of that enmity, that struggle which accompanies the history of humanity on earth and the history of salvation itself. In this central place, she who belongs to the “weak and poor of the Lord” bears in herself, like no other member of the human race, that “glory of grace” which the Father “has bestowed on us in his beloved Son,” and this grace determines the extraordinary greatness and beauty of her whole being. Mary thus remains before God, and also before the whole of humanity, as the unchangeable and inviolable sign of God’s election, spoken of in Paul’s letter: “in Christ...he chose us...before the foundation of the world,...he destined us...to be his sons” (Eph. 1:4, 5). This election is more powerful than any experience of evil and sin, than all that “enmity” which marks the history of man. In this history Mary remains a sign of sure hope.

Hope this helps

I wish you a Blessed day!


120 posted on 09/28/2009 12:06:26 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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