Posted on 07/23/2009 9:03:49 AM PDT by kevinrbranson
ssss... ozone! Buh-bye!
I don’t imagine Jesus will be studying poll results when he Judges the World.
Marking thread for later review.
Why?
Now there's an expression worthy of someone's tagline.
I am not Catholic, therefore, I confess to some, usually small, differences with the authority of the Magisterium. Regardless, when I hear people absurdlly attacking the Catholic Church or the Pope, my first assumption is that they have succumbed to pharisaical tendencies common to those who hold a legalistic view of scripture above Christ's own law of love.
You are a smart person!
There’s a lot of “pharisaical tendencies” out there...
Ping
I am responding to only the headline. My response is it is stating the obvious.
Heck, my dad is in a “7th day adventist purist” group (They think the “official” 7th day adventists are apostate) and they think the Pope will be the “false prophet” referred to in Revelation.
Yeah, you're victims. :p
The problem is that Luke 10:16 applies to those identified in Luke 10:1 - seventy people sent in pairs.
In fact, in Luke 10:17 we see the 70 returning, and Christ addressing them for 5 verses - including recording their names in heaven - before he even mentions the disciples.
Luke 10:16 is the commission of Christ to laity. It does not address any power structure or “recognized leaders” of the church. It does not support commissioning of the disciples or their exclusive role in representing the church. This is Christ giving instruction to followers - laity - to go and preach the Word.
In fact, this verse implicitly EXCLUDES the disciples! Why do I say that? Look at Luke 10:23 - we find Jesus turning from the 70 and turning TO the disciples! They were NOT among the 70 commissioned.
In fact, the disciples are only in the entire chapter being told they are blessed because they see the works of Jesus! Nothing about preaching, or works, or actions, or even faith. Only that they are seeing things that prophets and kings wanted to see and hear, and did not get to see.
I would read that as more of a rebuke to the disciples, a foreshadowing of doubting Thomas; the 70 went out on faith. The disciples saw and heard daily the actions and words of Christ and still needed to be reminded of just what they were experiencing.
Luke 10 is a wonderful example of the power and commission of the laity and does not support the primacy of a church organization or the disciples at all.
Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.
Maybe the question could have been phrased better.
How many Christians think the Pope is a force for good in the world?
How many nutters think the Pope is the anti-Christ?
I think there are a LOT more of the former than the latter.
P20: ?This sacred Council teaches that the Bishops, from divine institution, have taken the place of the Apostles, as the pastors of the Church: he who hears them, hears Christ; he who spurns them, spurns Christ, and Him who sent Christ.?
The Council teaches that - the Bible doesn’t teach that.
The pope is already falling in line with the world order. That proves that he is not a true Christian leader.
For a church that claims to be catholic, they seem to ignore historical facts or any fact that contradicts their beliefs.
So your Dad’s “Circle of Trust” is pretty small? Sounds like the Presbyterian crowd I used to run with. The headline was pulled verbatim from one of the Catholic news services, by the way. Yeah, kind of like saying “Sun rose in the East this morning”.
Do you believe that the Canon of Scripture fell out of heaven?
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