Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner
There can be only one truth.
There is when, like me, the people who are guiding you are actually guiding you AWAY from the Jesus of the Bible, which is the Jesus of the Catholic Church, and toward the Jesus of "Your Own Interpretation."
There can be only one truth, and I thank God that he will not administer a theology test when I stand before Him! That doesn’t mean it isn’t important to seek the truth - after all, we’re approaching post 800 on this thread alone - but I doubt I could score 100% if God Himself administered the test.
Fortunately, the test will be, “Do I know you?”
Not, “Did you correctly know everything about Me and My Church?”
There is lots of confusion between the different major Christian Churches, especially in their doctrine and vocabulary, building upon one another.
Redemption, properly stated, was directed at sin and performed by our Lord Jesus on the Cross. It was a universal redemption (not a universal salvation).
Redemption is required, in order for a Just and righteous God to provide salvation.
Forgiveness, now becomes the issue for the sinner, who now considers the Gospel.
Once we return to God and confess our sin to Him, even for the first acceptance of Him, then the believer is POSITIONALLY sanctified, i.e. saved by faith alone in Christ alone.
We are not saved because of our faith, rather we are saved through our Faith, by His work in us.
I will submit with good will that you are far more likely to find genuine doctrine of the Catholic Church in the Catechism than any given statement by any Catholic poster or friend or priest or bishop.
Why did Christ say in Matthew 23 and to whom did He say it too and why? Believe me I'm not picking on any one church as all have them in positions of authority in the church. But here's some examples. Widows send your monthy pension to Brother Bubba who will pray for you. Brother have you done this, this, this, this, and this to recieve your salvation? No? You're going to hell then. Do you speak in tounges, roll in the floor, laugh into hysteria, handle deadly snakes without being asked of from GOD to do so? No? same answer. Do you invite your neighbor to church yet refuse them water to drink from your well which is full? {I saw a Deacon do this for years to a woman raising many kids alone}
Salvation through Christ is simple. Christ Himself stated the terms for our salvation in John 3:16. We are to come to him as children not as adults burdened down by church dogma's and laws our forefathers could not even follow.
I only recently came across a website with the Catholic Catechism. I need to spend some time reading it so I can understand what is Catholic doctrine.
It obviously is much harder to figure out what BAPTIST doctrine is, since most deny we have any...
;>)
You forgot, “Have you ever used a Bible other than King James? Then you are going to hell!”
I walked out on that one...to a LOT of hostile stares. But I was younger then, and would have made a fight of it!
Hahahahahahah....hohohohoho.....hehehehehe...
You mean the same Catholic Church that said it was ok to burn witches? That Catholic church? The same Catholic church that had to have a 'council' 500 years after Christ died on the Cross to decide which Books were 'permitted' and which were heresy?
That Catholic church?
Spare me...
For example, John 6:40:
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
Or John 6:47:
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
Or even John 5:24:
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.
And when you consider the multiple other references where Jesus says that we are saved by faith. And the same claims made by Peter and Paul.
So either Jesus is lying because he claimed in one place that you must eat His body (taking John 6 literally) as well as faith being all that's needed (John 5 and John 6 literally)
- or -
Jesus is talking figuratively throughout about being consumed. That we must take His teachings internal to us to change our hearts.
Personally, I'll go with the interpretation where Jesus does not contradict Himself, but you can choose whichever you want. It's patently obvious you will ignore this anyway.
If you think Christ is "explaining clearly" in John 3, you can not distinguish reality from rhetoric.
Now, if you are giving your interpretation the same authority of actual scripture, we have nothing to talk about.
I am content to rely on the words of Christ in the bible, not some interpretation contrived with no other goal than undermining the orthodox Catholic teaching.
But only one of them is authoritative.
Indeed I did forget that one. One Bible I recieved as a gift means a lot. It was given to me by a friend where I once worked who was a Seventh Day Adventist. It's the NCV. The modern translations have helped many including myself study more. I just wish I could read and concentrate and put together thoughts like I once could. Now it takes me a while to do so. A lot of things I know and understand came from a window of about 5 years opened up to me where I had the time and ability to do intense reading. Now to even pray beyond a couple of complete thoughts I generally must go off alone meaning away from the house to seclusion.
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
No, not whatever it is you're describing.
THE Catholic Church.
Who here are you accusing of doing that? I know I've just been called a liar a few posts above, do you now call me a heretic or deceiver?
Yes, I’ve noticed that with some of your folks here.
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