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No Salvation Outside the Church
Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner

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To: Iscool
Those aren't Catholic threads...

Oh so coy. Anybody with half a brain knows I meant threads on topics written from a Catholic perspective. All the roprobates are attracted to them like magnets to steel. Thou dost protest too much?
1,141 posted on 07/01/2009 12:22:57 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Mr Rogers

You raise a very good point. I took his comment in jest but I’d rather have a baptist President than a secular bonehead.


1,142 posted on 07/01/2009 4:12:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Baptist vary quite a bit. A long time ago, I was a summer missionary in Montana. We went to a different church each week. There were some great ones, but a couple had some of the meanest people you would ever wish to meet.

I believe the wheat & tares parable presents a real problem for ALL churches - how do you make sure the wheat dominates? Church discipline is a real part of what is meant by ‘power to loose and bind’, and all churches must exercise that power, or become corrupted by false christians - such as the party of circumcision that Paul opposed and Peter feared in Antioch.

I’m all for godly men affecting our country, but I believe this is done by evangelism. If we have a majority of believers in the country, or even a large minority, the country will do fine. Our current political trends are caused because America has, on the whole, turned its back on God. The coarsening of our culture since I’ve been born is terrifying to anyone who cares for America and loves God.

When I was young, a person who cussed in front of children would have been reprimanded by those around him. TV glorified families, not homosexuals. Shoot - even 20 years ago, I would never have thought anyone would take ‘homosexual rights’ seriously. You have a right to stick what where?! That’s GROSS!

But now it is accepted by the President of the USA.

When I was born, abortion was illegal. Now, Notre Dame honors a baby-killer who would allow post-birth abortions! Where is some of that ‘teaching authority’ & ‘binding’? Why didn’t the Pope step in and TELL Notre Dame to withdraw its invitation, and then investigate how anyone associated with the church could think that was a good idea?

One of the problems with the Catholic Church is that they tried to mix religious belief and political power together - for 1500 years! Not surprisingly, the tares became Popes, and gaining money and power overtook preaching to the lost. That was a huge factor in Luther’s work.

The Reformation took place because of corruption in the Catholic Church. That corruption was inevitable once the Popes became confused about who they needed to follow - Caesar or Christ.

I don’t condemn a state church for the state’s sake - I condemn it for the church’s sake!


1,143 posted on 07/01/2009 4:12:15 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Iscool
Scripture doesn't say that...

Scripture doesn't say sola Scriptura.

1,144 posted on 07/01/2009 4:29:04 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
How in the world is eating Jesus flesh a re-presentation of HIS sacrifice on the Cross...

It is His instruction. Perhaps you'll get a chance to ask Him.

1,145 posted on 07/01/2009 4:30:56 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
How did you guys turn it into YOU sacrificing Jesus???

The question is flawed on multiple levels.

1,146 posted on 07/01/2009 4:32:06 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
bdeaner: If it's so simple, why do none of the THOUSANDS of Protestant sects agree on it?

Iscool: How about you post a list of these 30,000 plus sects of Protestantism

That is a thoroughly and blatantly dishonest post. He said "THOUSANDS" not "30,000 plus."

Is the reader not supposed to notice that?

1,147 posted on 07/01/2009 4:35:30 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And yes, Mary is dead..

She is not dead. You don't have that kind of power.

1,148 posted on 07/01/2009 4:36:17 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
There is no such entity as "Apostolic succession..."

Of course there is. It is historical fact, both in the teaching and writing on the doctrine and in the factual basis of the doctrine.

It cannot be willed away just because Calvin told one not to like it.

You don't have that kind of power.

1,149 posted on 07/01/2009 4:43:22 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: bdeaner
However, he willed that the effects and merits of his sacrifice be given continually to the Church.

Not only no, but it appears you don't understand why Jesus willing sacrificed His life...

We were sick, and when I say we, I mean born again Christians...Jesus offered the medicine...And we took the medicine...We took the cure...We are now well...

Because we took that medicine, we have become the Body of Jesus Christ, the church...

Jesus didn't die for the church...Jesus died for the sick...

Jesus willed that the effects and merits of his own, once for all sacrifice be given continually to the poor and needy in spirit, the sick, who after they take the medicine, will then in turn, be added to the church...

1,150 posted on 07/01/2009 4:45:15 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Petronski, here's your Catholic sacrifice you couldn't find...

You misrepresent my words, as is per usual.

1,151 posted on 07/01/2009 4:46:26 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: driftdiver
Nobody sits around thinking of ways to reject the Catholic Church.

Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Machen, et cetera ad infinitum, not to mention the anti-Catholic dreck posted on Free Republic on an hourly basis.

1,152 posted on 07/01/2009 4:49:07 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: bdeaner
That's a silly comment. Why would the Catholic Church canonize a Bible that contradicts it's own dogma? Don't you think they would at least omit those books that do not fit their view, as Luther did when he omitted the deuterocanonicals and considered omitting James? Doesn't make any sense, because it's just not true.

Not silly at all...And there are two answers to that question...

That's God's book...It doesn't belong to your religion...If you took out the parts that condemned your church, your bible would be about the size of a comic book...A small comic book...

So your religion added to it to make it look like theirs...

And then your religion burned as many scriptures as they could get their hands on hoping to destroy the faith of millions....

But God honored His word...He preserved His word in your religion and outside of your religion thru all those Christians your church labeled as heretics while burning them at the stake...

Your church made the scriptures unavailable to the general public for centuries...They were afraid people would find out what's in the scriptures...

I read that even priests were prohibited and definitely discouraged from reading the scriptures...

But they couldn't get away with it forever...And they didn't...And look what happened when those scriptures got into the hands of the people...Millions upon millions of people turned to Jesus, side-stepping your popes and religion...

1,153 posted on 07/01/2009 5:01:22 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Petronski
It is His instruction. Perhaps you'll get a chance to ask Him.

Well maybe it's in some of your neuteredcomicals but it certainly isn't in the scriptures...

1,154 posted on 07/01/2009 5:18:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Petronski
The question is flawed on multiple levels.

A smart man knows there are no stupid questions...Just stupid answers...

1,155 posted on 07/01/2009 5:19:54 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Petronski
Hey Petronski, do you believe this verse???

Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

1,156 posted on 07/01/2009 5:29:10 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I read the article. Very revealing about how they REALLY feel about Mary. She seems to be placed on an even keel with Jesus in our salvation. Heresy, indeed.


1,157 posted on 07/01/2009 7:02:49 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: driftdiver

I went to a Catholic Church in Watertown, NY, after singing at a friend’s wedding the day before. There was a bill coming up to try and stop gambling events there and the priest told everyone to vote against stopping the gambling because the church made so much money at their annual event. THAT turned me off the Church.


1,158 posted on 07/01/2009 7:12:39 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: driftdiver

LOL, I think at least two of them are.


1,159 posted on 07/01/2009 7:14:35 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: driftdiver

Yep, ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, including Mary!


1,160 posted on 07/01/2009 7:15:44 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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