No Salvation Outside the Church

Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

[bdeaner]

The Lord will not ask. He already knows. He wants our faith, hope, and charity — and will judge us on the extent to which our faith is reflected in our actions. That is the long and the short of it. God bless.

[bdeaner]

When [the LDS] say it, it's heresy. When the Papal church says it, it's sound doctrine.

That's right. It's not hypocrisy. Only the Catholic Church can claim Apostolic succession, which is where the Church gets it's teaching authority. The Church is merely doing what Christ told it to do, as the early Christians did.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

If you deny God being outside of time...

I didn't deny God was outside of Time.

I denied that this one attribute of God is the answer to every theological question since it seems that is the only response you can muster in all these varied discussions.

Search the Scriptures. The sword of the Spirit will help you broaden your arsenal.

[bdeaner]

Catholics who are not in heresy do not worship Mary. They honor Her as the Mother of Christ.

HAIL MARY
FULL OF GRACE
THE LORD IS WITH THEE
BLESSED ARE THOU AMONG WOMEN
AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THEY WOMB, JESUS.

Do you have a problem with this prayer?

[bdeaner]

Read it as it's written, just as with the Constitution. It means what it says.

If it's so simple, why do none of the THOUSANDS of Protestant sects agree on it?

[stfassisi]

Quoting a ‘Saint’ does nothing to convince me. In my opinion they are nothing more than a good example of how we should try to be.

If they are an example of how we should try to be,why are you not convinced by them and elevate your own opinion above them?

God performs miracles, people don’t.

You're correct,dear friend. Every Saint acknowledges this as well.

Good Night ,Dear Friend

I wish you a blessed peaceful evening

[bdeaner]

Biblical basis for purgatory, please.

SEE HERE

[Petronski]

Please don’t project meaning into my statement that is clearly not there.

Didn't do it.

I was making a declaration of my own belief.

I don’t support idol worship...

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

...I don’t support making men into gods...

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

...I don’t support good works for salvation...

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

...I don’t support paying for forgiveness freely given...

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

...I don’t support requiring an intermediary for talking with God...

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

[Petronski]

Petronski’s answer is even worse, LOL.

Sorry you didn't understand, mare.

[stfassisi]

Search the Scriptures. The sword of the Spirit will help you broaden your arsenal.

I do trust the Scriptures,dear sister

I trust the scriptures through the eyes of the Church who gave us the canon. I don't trust Dr E or Calvin who have little in common with the mercy of Christ

[Petronski]

Yes, the entire Body of Christ universal is His church. Hallelujah. ALL believers are His Church.

Yes!

The Catholic Church! Hallelujah!

[Petronski]

You have applauded his ignorance. Nice.

[Petronski]

The Bible refers in a few places to the way all of Judea came to hear Christ.

Do you think there was no one in Judea who did not come to hear Christ on those occasions? Every single one came?

[Iscool]

And we do not. It is a re-presentation of the same one-time Sacrifice on Calvary

Every other Catholic on this forum claims your Eucharist is your religion sacrificing Jesus in a re-presentation of His first sacrifice...No doubt you've said it as well...

343. What is the Holy Eucharist?

The Holy Eucharist is a sacrament and a sacrifice. In the Holy Eucharist, under the appearances of bread and wine, the Lord Christ is contained, offered, and received.

This is right from your EWTN Eucharist page...You don't seem to know much about the Catholic church...I'm thinking maybe you're a Jehovah Witness...

[Iscool]

No, we are told to DO.

Do what??? Have some sort of ceremony where you mysteriously turn bread into Jesus' flesh??? No??? What did Jesus tell you to do??? Did Jesus tell you how to go about turning bread into His flesh??? NO??? What did Jesus tell you to do???

[Petronski]

I'm so sorry you don't understand.

And I'm not qualified in remedial instruction, so I cannot help you.

Let me try, though: When the Sacrifice on Calvary is represented in the Holy Eucharist, it is a sacrifice. It is NOT, however, a re-sacrifice. It is the same Sacrifice re-presented by the power of the Holy Spirit, as Christ commands.

That probably won't be sufficient because, as I've said, I have no training in remedial education.

But your big gotcha moment is a decayed and decrepit nothingness.

You don't seem to know much about the Catholic Church...

I'm sorry you're so wrong.

I'm thinking maybe you're a Jehovah Witness...

Perhaps you have abandoned all logic and common sense and thus crash into such a ridiculous conclusion.

Embrace discernment: it is a gift from God.

[Petronski]

Did Jesus tell you how to go about turning bread into His flesh???

Crack a Bible. Pray for discernment. Try the accounts of the Last Supper.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I trust the scriptures through the eyes of the Church who gave us the canon. I don't trust Dr E or Calvin

Do you trust yourself, and the good and pure testimony of your God-given conscience?

[Petronski]

I don't trust Dr E...

Careful!

Rebuking her statements puts you outside orthodox Christianity. No, really!

[stfassisi]

Do you trust yourself, and the good and pure testimony of your God-given conscience?

I trust my perception of sacrificial love and I don't see that from you or calvin.

I see it in the Saints like Padre Pio and Saint Francis of Assisi and many others.