Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner
“I suggest it’s not your heart, it’s the Father of Lies telling you that. Without spiritual discernment, it’s not always easy to tell the difference.”
Thanks for the response but you are wrong.
Instead of attacking me why don’t you address my points? Why don’t you explain why Jesus went out among the sinners, seeking a direct connection. But that the Catholic church requires an intermediary on the assumption we cannot speak to God ourselves.
“So you reject the Trinity too. “
No, ya see I’ve read the book. I’ve felt the Holy Spirit.
Read Augustine? I mean REALLY read Augustine?
Much of what Calvin and others took as predestination is Augustine talking about God being all knowing and existing outside of time. In “Confessions”, near the end, there is a part that I swear a writer of the Star Trek franchise put into an episode or two.
“Where? Saying “brain surgery” is simple, too. Doing it is another matter.”
Being saved isn’t brain surgery. The steps are simple if you are willing to take them. Thats where most people fail, their pride and willful nature keep them from taking those steps.
That's just one more way I know the Truth of Christ's Church.
“Which may be why the protestant concepts of sin are as simplistic and sophomoric as a child who thinks arithmetic principles are the limit of “math.” “
Thats a winning argument, call protestants simple and stupid and you are sure to convert them to the catholic way!!!
“I’m familiar with the “once saved” doctrine. It’s unscriptural. “
Source please, because I can show you where Jesus said it is true.
“Just about the ONLY thing that unites them, other than belief in Jesus Christ, is their rejection of the Catholic Church”
You take yourself way toooo seriously. Nobody sits around thinking of ways to reject the catholic church.
What unites us is our love for Jesus and desire to share that love with others.
“lol. How does a man “act genuinely?” “
he can’t, we cannot be good enough or do enough good works to be saved and spend eternity in Heaven.
“Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. “
Jesus says it does.
I'm concerned about your mental state ,Dr E.
Almost all of the Aquinas posted to you by me over the past few weeks is backed up with scripture
If you deny God being outside of time than God is not omnipotent, and therefore not God.
Wait a minute, I thought it wasn’t Rome.
“That’s just one more way I know the Truth of Christ’s Church. “
Please don’t project meaning into my statement that is clearly not there.
I don’t support idol worship, I don’t support making men into gods, I don’t support good works for salvation, I don’t support paying for forgiveness freely given and I don’t support requiring an intermediary for talking with God.
“If you deny God being outside of time than God is not omnipotent, and therefore not God. “
Genesis
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
“Every best gift, and every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of alteration”.James 1:17
God reveals some things to us in HUMAN understanding ie Genesis
“If your trying to make a point that God thinks in succession and does not already know everything in one NOW “
I’m pointing out that God does things in succession. That’s the first example. Throughout the Bible there are references to time and Gods use of it.
The verse you quote has nothing to do with time.
Oh, knock it off. You don’t have a clue.
That's only how you understand it in your finite mind-which is not reality with God who does not predict -He already KNOWS ALL THINGS
Perhaps this might help..
That nothing is predicated of God and other beings synonymously* By Saint Thomas Aquinas
AN effect that does not receive a form specifically like the form whereby the agent acts, is incapable of receiving in synonymous predication the name taken from that form.* But, of the things whereof God is cause, the forms do not attain to the species of the divine efficacy, since they receive piecemeal and in particular what is found in God simply and universally.
3. Everything that is predicated of several things synonymously, is either genus species, differentia, accidens, or proprium. But nothing is predicated of God as genus, as has been shown (Chap. XXV); and in like manner neither as differentia; nor again as species, which is made up of genus and differentia; nor can any accident attach to Him, as has been shown (Chap. XXIII); and thus nothing is predicated of God either as accident or as proprium, for proprium is of the class of accidents. The result is that nothing is predicated synonymously of God and other beings.
6. Whatever is predicated of things so as to imply that one thing precedes and the other is consequent and dependent on the former, is certainly not predicated synonymously. Now nothing is predicated of God and of other beings as though they stood in the same rank, but it is implied that one precedes, and the other is consequent and dependent. Of God all predicates are predicated essentially. He is called ‘being’ to denote that He is essence itself; and ‘good,’ to denote that He is goodness itself. But of other beings predications are made to denote participation. Thus Socrates is called ‘a man,’ not that he is humanity itself, but one having humanity. It is impossible therefore for any predicate to be applied synonymously and in the same sense to God and other beings.
I think it’s incredibly sad that Catholics have no assurance of their salvation. Even scripture says we can have that assurance but when we tell them things like that, they boo hoo and call it OUR interpretation. I’ll take any one of ours over theirs any day of the week
Then the Catholic Church is leading you astray if you believe that you will go to hell for not fulfilling your religious obligations. That, my friend, is heresy. You will only go to hell if you reject the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Period.
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