Is Atheism incompatible with Conservatism?

Just like stories of the possiblity of moon travel were regarded as science fiction in the 1800s, I suppose.

Exactly. It took the future to prove otherwise, not the past.

The truth will out, my friend.

Tha goes both ways, Sir!

In the meantime, you're entitled to your view, wrong as it may be. And here's something to keep in mind: those who receive the message of the Gospel and choose to reject it will have all eternity to contemplate the consequence of their choice as well as any belief that the Bible's message of sin and salvation was mere fiction. Peace, A.

What if the "message" was just a man-made fallacy? Your entire life would then have been spent living a lie. A grand lie, at that.

Oh, and thanks for the threat clause, too! The Muslims have used the same nonsense for eons. I'd rather live my life with the belief in the truth as I can comprehend it, rather than put all my faith in a man-made fallacy. If there really is a god, or two, or three out there, he or she or they would have enough sense to understand my position.

If the Muslims are right, you'll have eternity to ponder about the "consequences", too.

It took the future to prove otherwise, not the past.

That's why they call it faith. But keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies made by separate Old Testament authors over hundreds of years, so it's not all future proof.

That goes both ways, Sir!

We're talking about a question of reality, so actually it doesn't go both ways. And here's why: My belief in God, my praying to him, my worshiping him are not enough to conjure him up. And your disbelief, and rejection of his revelation in creation and complete boredom with any idea that he exists are not, individually or collectively, enough to destroy him. So, it's one way or the other, not both ways.

thanks for the threat clause

I don't know what is threatening about the idea of eternal contemplation of a choice made in life, but you obviously feel threatened by it. The question is why. If someone told me that if I stepped on a sidewalk crack today, I'd have all next week to contemplate it, then I'd say fine, no problem. I certainly wouldn't feel threatened by the prospect. And that goes for recognizing as false teaching what Muhammad had to say as well.

What if the "message" was just a man-made fallacy?

You're suppressing the truth that exists all around you of God's existence. A good example of this suppression generally is the almost rabid reaction to the idea of an intelligent designer. The first law of thermodynamics should tell you that energy and matter could not have come from nothing and the second law of thermodynamics should tell you that the point of origin was order, not a chaotic bang.

I'm not here to convince you, just inform you with gentleness and respect. Rejection of the truth is what will help make God's judgment on the last day perfectly just. God has said in his word, the Bible though that those who seek him shall surely find him. Are you willing to seek him in all sincerely? Peace, A.

I appreciate your tone, and I will try my best to put my views across as gently as possible:

That's why they call it faith. But keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies made by separate Old Testament authors over hundreds of years, so it's not all future proof.

Pardon my ignorance, but what would they be? How do you rule out the possibility that a "divine" Jesus might have been invented out of a human Jesus, and the prophecies attributed to this imagined form, by people over the generations? The phenomenon you are describing is not unique to Christianity. There is historical precedence for the same, both before and after Jesus's supposed birth.

After all, what is the information you have to rely on? Literature from a time and a people where the privilege was that of the few, and the influential.

We're talking about a question of reality, so actually it doesn't go both ways. And here's why: My belief in God, my praying to him, my worshiping him are not enough to conjure him up. And your disbelief, and rejection of his revelation in creation and complete boredom with any idea that he exists are not, individually or collectively, enough to destroy him. So, it's one way or the other, not both ways.

Can I destroy something that does not exist, in the first place?

I don't know what is threatening about the idea of eternal contemplation of a choice made in life, but you obviously feel threatened by it. The question is why. If someone told me that if I stepped on a sidewalk crack today, I'd have all next week to contemplate it, then I'd say fine, no problem. I certainly wouldn't feel threatened by the prospect. And that goes for recognizing as false teaching what Muhammad had to say as well.

What I had in mind was the threat of eternal damnation, for not believing in this god-figure. Wasn't that what you had in mind, too? That's a threat, by any definition of the term. I don't feel threatened by it, I am merely pointing out how the lowliest aspects of Man's fears are being exploited here in order to win ideological currency. I don't feel threatened by things that don't exist. If I did, I would have confessed belief, for who wants to be burned for eternity?

As for recognizing as false, Muhammad's teachings, what standard do you use? The Germans were master creators- extremely inventive and unparalleled in innovation. So too, the Japanese. That did not prevent both of them from making Mankind achieve the dubious heights of cruelty. What if Muhammad was right? Would you switch allegience?

You're suppressing the truth that exists all around you of God's existence. A good example of this suppression generally is the almost rabid reaction to the idea of an intelligent designer. The first law of thermodynamics should tell you that energy and matter could not have come from nothing and the second law of thermodynamics should tell you that the point of origin was order, not a chaotic bang.

Could you please elaborate on the two laws, and how they fit your description?

I'm not here to convince you, just inform you with gentleness and respect. Rejection of the truth is what will help make God's judgment on the last day perfectly just. God has said in his word, the Bible though that those who seek him shall surely find him.

The truth I see reveals all god-figures to be the product of Man's imagination. The whole concept of judgment of the creation of an infallible creator, seems contradictory to the term, 'infallible' to me. Why the test? What is being tested here?

Are you willing to seek him in all sincerely?

A real Atheist is not someone who hates God. A real Atheist would love to believe there is a such a god, but deep inside, knows otherwise.

I hope none of the above sounded harsh to you. If any of it did, please feel free to ignore.

All the best!