The Redemption of the Dead (Provide Baptism for All Who Have Ever Lived) LDS (OPEN)

Ensign Magazine ^ | Nov. 1975, 97 | Boyd K. Packer

[greyfoxx39]

How ya doin' today, OMM?

Wanna borrow this? ;)

[Old Mountain man]

I’ll just pet my puppies.

[Safrguns]

Most mainstreamers are not surprised when people see through their specious arguments.

So far, I have seen no arguments from you whatsoever... and yet you sit in the judgment seat of mine?

Your form of argument is to hurl insults and put words in people's mouths that were never there... even to the point of saying the exact opposite of what was said.

There is a word for your type of behavior, and I'm starting to doubt that you are a member of the LDS church at all.
You sound more down right anti God to me. All you want is a fight.

[Old Mountain man]

That post seems to be a personal attack.

[Safrguns]

Oh.. and calling him a grump doesnt count?

I call behavior for what it is... I dont personalize it.
I’ve acted quite anti-God like myself plenty of times.
Maybe if I sugar-coat it first, it will be ok?

Grow some skin.

[Old Mountain man]

I have plenty of skin but I am also sick and tired of getting personally attacked on these threads.

[Safrguns]

Greyfox please Disregard post 45... I was responding to the wrong person, and I apologize... incorrectly assumed you posted 44.

[Safrguns]

I have plenty of skin but I am also sick and tired of getting personally attacked on these threads.

Thats obvious. let me restate what I screwed up in 45... It was clear to me that your intention from the beginning was to shut down any debate by using subtle insinuations and provocations. you prove it in 44. Just because your behavior is anti-God like doesn't mean you are.

[Safrguns]

I completely reject each and every one of your arguments as a typical protestant fabrication.

Isn't this a fancy way of calling me a liar?

Lying is Anti-God. Accusing someone of being a liar is also Anti-God.

[Old Mountain man]

My intention is to oppose anti-mormonism. Perhaps if a cogent argument was presented, the reply would be better. The article at the very beginning of the thread states my position.

[Old Mountain man]

Okay, I’m done with you.

[Safrguns]

My intention is to oppose anti-mormonism. Perhaps if a cogent argument was presented, the reply would be better. The article at the very beginning of the thread states my position.

And your approach to opposing anti-mormonism is to shut down the debate.

Those opposed to mormonism are seen by mormons as Anti-God... no???

I'm not offended by such a position... so you shouldn't be either. Instead, you should be trying to understand the opposing view to find the common thread that might unite our thinking so that truth could be discovered mutually.

Calling me a liar doesn't help the discussion.

[Old Mountain man]

Lying about what I posted does not help your arguments.

[Safrguns]

Thought you were done with me.

[Religion Moderator]

All you want is a fight

Attributing motive to another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Safrguns]

Attributing motive... Ok... i’ll buy that. I stand corrected.

Am I still a liar?

[Religion Moderator]

If anyone on the Religion Forum has directly and personally called you a liar, let me know. That is attributing motive, the intent to deceive, and is therefore also “making it personal.”

[Safrguns]

If anyone on the Religion Forum has directly and personally called you a liar, let me know. That is attributing motive, the intent to deceive, and is therefore also “making it personal.”

I can certainly appreciate the difficulties of your job... but if I were to cry foul every time someone "makes it personal" with me, I would be making your job that much more difficult. I pretty much ignore them. Antagonizers/Flamers however CAPITALIZE on them. My point was this... It is not very difficult at all to infer personal attacks... its actually quite easy. As I'm sure your well aware, one tactic to shutting down a debate is to provoke a "personal attack" thereby silencing your opposition by calling in the refs... This was my point and charge to the poster after repeated attacks against me personally, without ever really touching on the issue at all. The following posts in this thread illustrate that point.

post 31: From your post, it appears that the mainstream both ignores portions of the Bible and cannot stand it that we read the whole thing.

here, my post is identified as mainstream and THEN attacked... I cannot stand it that they read the whole thing?... Like I ignore parts of the bible?

post 36: Your post ignores Peter’s teachings on Jesus

Here again, I ignore the bible according to the poster. is this "making it personal"?

post 38: I completely reject each and every one of your arguments as a typical protestant fabrication.

Here my arguments are referred to as "typical protestant fabrications"... so now i'm making things up... lying.

post 40: Most mainstreamers are not surprised when people see through their specious arguments.

This seemed fairly personal to me... but did I cry? I wish I had a dime for every time I've been called stupid.

post 52: Lying about what I posted does not help your arguments.

gee... I think he just called me a liar again.

Did I call for a moderator when he called me a liar the first time? No... I just suggested that all he wanted was a fight...

and I am the one that gets slapped...

and Why? because the "alleged" motive would have to rely upon the hope that a ref will not attempt to gain context.

See? i'm learning

[Religion Moderator]

Generally, the posts you have listed would not qualify as "making it personal" because they speak academically, i.e. at arm's length.

"Lying about what I posted does not help your arguments" pushes the envelope. If I had seen it, I would have posted a warning.

Further, making a thread "about" individual posters is also a form of "making it personal." So, both of you, stop focusing on each other and get back to the issues.

[Safrguns]

As ole Bones would say... “He’s dead Jim”