Posted on 04/30/2009 5:40:25 AM PDT by NYer
“Does in not matter to you at all what those principles are?”
Sure, especially in comparison to a politician whose “principles” are venial, materialistic and self centered.
But you would never vote for a "Latin Rite" politician who espouses explicitly Christian principles ... because a Bishop had the temerity to also espouse said principles.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were getting carried away with either "anti-Latinism" or "anticleiricalism". Your right, of course. It's still a more-or-less free country. But it seems bizarre to me.
Party No. 2 nominates a spineless, poll-driven moron.
Third parties offer no nomination.
How do you cast your vote?
I hear a lot of talk about this, but have never seen a published report where this has actually happened. Did I miss it, or is this all just a bunch of hot air?
Indeed. Or because she lied about campaign contributions.
Key words: “might eventually.”
Apparently, you don't realize that this isn't about YOU and who you would vote for. It's about this individual politician doing something that is in direct conflict with deeply held convictions of the Catholic Church, and the church taking action in relation to that.
You may not agree, and that's fine. Your "orthodox" church is a bit more "laizze faire" concerning pro-life issues, and that's up to them. (I use quotations on "orthodox" because it would seem to be completely unorthodox for a church to shrug its collective shoulders at the murder of innocents. But that's just my opinion.)
If you don't like what the "Latin Rite" church teaches, then I suggest you stay away from it. I'm quite sure they will be staying away from yours.
“How do you cast your vote?”
Write in.
“Apparently, you don’t realize that this isn’t about YOU and who you would vote for.”
No, when it comes to politicians being driven to vote the way his/her bishop wants under threat of what amouts to excommunication, it is very much my business and that of every other voter.
“If you don’t like what the “Latin Rite” church teaches, then I suggest you stay away from it. I’m quite sure they will be staying away from yours.”
Well, see, the overwhelming number of Orthodox laity, lower clergy and monastics, and, I suspect, hierarchs, want to stay very far away from the Latin Church. The Latin Church, however, seems determined to save itself from the consequences of its Vatican II folly by reuniting with us. I sincerely hope that Rome will decide that given our attitudes, it would be best for them to go it alone. :)
Now ...
Party No. 1 nominates a committed Catholic.
Party No. 2 nominates a spineless, poll-driven moron.
Third parties offer no nominations.
How do you vote?
Please wake us when this bishop actually stops Casey at the rail.
” How do you vote? “
Where I live? All things being equal, the Catholic. In Scranton? Write in.
Personally, I would have a very hard time attending a church that was indifferent to the murder of innocents.
Matthew 5:
13 You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. 14 You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house. 16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
I fail to understand why anyone who professes to be a Christian would want other Christians to "put [their candle] under a bushel". Yet this is precisely what you want Catholic Bishops to do.
The gum flapping of an ignorant schismatic is irrelevant.
FRiend, I'm not as learned a man as you. I do not have a Legal Degree. But it appears to me that your statement quoted above is tantamount to saying that you are in favor of a religious test to hold public office in the US. And while you did not explicitly advocate that for everyone, you certainly announced here that it was your criteria. And your other posts drive home the point that you do in fact have as your number one criteria the religious affiliation of the candidate. You have every right to your opinion.
But I believe the historical record shows that Our Founders considered that view anathema to a Republican form of government conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. And as such are entitled to be judged as individuals when seeking public office irrespective of their religious affiliations. If any criteria can be said to be Un-American it is yours ,Sir.
Be careful what you try to impose on others, lest it is imposed upon you.
Two many “clerics,” however, had their roots in Democratic households, and so the bishops have been slow to make their opposition to Democratic social policies that have become more and more radically opposed to the teachings of the Church. This has led to the split in the Church that we see evident in the Notre Dame flap. The Democrats have made abortion rights and gay rights party shibboleths. Whatever you think of Martino he is simply telling us the way the cow ate the cabbage. If you don't like the way he is doing it, I suggest you look at the tact taken Archbishop Chaput, who as he has pointed out, grew up as a Democrat and shares many opinions with the Democrats but is telling his flock that the Democrats now support many policies that no one who calls himself a Catholic can consistently support.
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Casey cannot be compelled to do anything. If he wants to remain a Catholic in good standing, he must put into practice the teachings of the Church.
It's up to him.
Amen
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