Posted on 04/10/2009 10:32:45 AM PDT by DouglasKC
***Sarcasm aside, I notice that you have not answered my questions or statements from the last post.
But I did. I said WE all fail miserably to live up to a Godly standard. If you want me to specify how I fail physically and spiritually on that list I’ll be glad to. But what is your purpose?***
I was attempting to delve into the idea that the Church, not demi-Jewish interpretations of the Old Testament, is responsible for determining not only canon, but the entire theology of Christianity.
This is not about you; rather, it is about who is responsible for determining what we believe.
I don't think the main focus of the article was on the name. The focus was on the Lord's feast days and how the traditional church changed God's instructions by replacing HIS Passover with a holiday that incorporated pagan customs and rituals and changed the focus, meaning and application of the Passover.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
This is when the Lord Jesus himself observed the day he created. Yet the traditional church says it's fitting to ignore the word of God.
***Wow. You have the gall to go through a chapter and insinuate that the instructions given by the Almighty therein are somehow invalid, or too difficult? ***
I guess that you have missed my point to a degree which surpasses even my expectations.
***You need to spend sometime studying. You missed a big one, right there in the middle - one that every “Christian” claims is not only valid... but something they succeed in doing “most of the time” (because they are Christians):
...you shall love your neighbor as yourself... Leviticus 19:18***
You are very far from the mark.
***Now, for freezing sacrifices, if you would read further, you would know that to NOT offer sacrifices without the Temple in Jerusalem is actually obedience - and no freezing would not count.
Guess what, farmers in the Land of Israel do not reap the corners of their fields... just like they are instructed to do.***
We are not in the Land of Israel; you may be, but the majority of folks posting here are not. My question is for those who are not. Do you answer for them?
***The corner of your beard? Do you read Hebrew? Do you know what a corner is? No, you won’t be damned for shaving (if you read further you would know that NONE of this is about being “damned” - they are about obeying they One that loves you). ***
Are you saying that one can disobey God (without further instruction from the Church) and it doesn’t matter? This is a fascinating religion. Does it have a name?
***Each one of your points is offensive, as so many others on this thread... because you mock the very words of the Creator of the Universe...***
Offensive to whom? To Christians? Or to pseudo Jews? I do not mock God; far from it. I mock those who seek to re enter the womb.
***Go read Psalms 119, and read how a man after G0d’s own heart speaks about His commandments. Take the time to count each time “commandment, law, statute, ordinance, testimony,” etc. is used. Then ask yourself if someone who loves G0d should speak lovingly of His instructions (even those that he does not understand), or use them to mock others.***
I spell God with an O, not a 0, by the way. Why do you spell His Name with a 0? I do not mock anyone who worships Him. I mock those who use Him to advance their own agenda or to garner wealth and power.
I worship and adore Him. I went to Good Friday mass last night and knelt before God and wept at His sacrifice for us in thanksgiving and reverence. I do not spell His Name with a zero.
He rose the following day--the First Day of the week, the First Day of a New Creation.
It's unfortunate that this central event in our salvation is called in English "Easter" since it leads to misunderstanding. I wonder if these agruments over semantics are avoided in these countries where the name of this Sunday clearly states what it is--our Passover Feast.
Greek - Paskha
Bulgarian - Paskha
Danish - Paaske
Dutch - Pasen
Finnish - Pääsiäinen
French - Pâques
Indonesian - Paskah
Irish - Cáisc
Italian - Pasqua
Lower Rhine German - Paisken
Norwegian - Påske
Portuguese - Páscoa
Romanian - Pasti
Russian - Paskha
Scottish Gaelic - Càisg
Spanish - Pascua
Swedish - Påsk
Welsh - Pasg
I believe Christ established a Church (Ekklesia) and on His return to the Father promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide it until His return.
Incidently, the name for this Sunday in the Catholic Church is Dominica Resurrectionis.
A very happy Easter to everyone!
***Have a great Easter.***
Thank you and to you as well. Vaya con Dios.
See post 182...
Oi.
Like clockwork.
LOL... it all just amazes and saddens me.
One can’t go a holiday without this anti-Christ deceit being spread to lead folks astray. Very sad.
There is no discrepancy. The synoptics all agree that the sun had risen, the context of John indicates that it was dark when they had left the house, but is silent on if the sun was up when they arrived.
To me that is dangerous ground. If you let someone else determine what you believe (your words) then you're prone to be misled and deceived. God sends his spirit to us to lead us to truth. His truths, the words he wanted to preserve, are in scripture. Tradition is changeable, malleable and prone to shift with time and culture.
And that is exactly what has happened. Tradition (and othe factors) have shifted Christianity away from God's revealed holy days and has substituted other days.
As YOU define them.
Christ's birth, death and resurrection reveal to all those with eyes to see the days that should be holy to us.
The incarnation of God as man? Holy.
His ultimate sacrifice on the Cross? Holy.
His resurrection from the dead? Holy.
The dangerous ground lies beneath the man-made proto-Hebraeic legalisms I'm reading here.
God sends his spirit to us to lead us to truth.
And His spirit is not present in a scornful and malinspired rebuke of the joyful celebrations of His Resurrection.
Intentional or not, such sowing of misinformation and disinformation can only have that result.
It goes beyond sickening to vulgar.
I agree. The gentile Christians were not placed under the levitical dietary restrictions
Ac 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Nor under levitical calendar
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Absolutely not:
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
And the chapter continues with God specifically telling us when and how to observe HIS holy days.
This is God defining his holy days. Not me.
So you would elevate your tradition over the word of Christ our Lord? Others did that and were chastised by the Lord.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition
The words of Christ our Lord are NOT misinformation. They are not disinformation. They the revealed words of the Lord telling his servants WHICH days we are to consider holy.
Choose scripture or tradition.
Do you honestly believe that Paul would call scriptural commandments of God "weak and beggarly elements"?
What Paul is referring to here is gentiles who wanted to return to worshipping pagan days. The ONLY scriptures Paul had were the books of what we call the "old testament". It would have been blasphemous for him to call the words of the Lord "weak and beggarly elements".
Christ, through His Church, elevates His traditions over your interpretation of His Word.
The words of Christ our Lord are NOT misinformation. They are not disinformation.
But your misinterpretation of His Words ARE.
Mark 7:9 is an admonition to those who would leave His Church to make stuff up on their own.
I'm quite certain that St. Paul, a father of the Catholic Church, would call your interpretations of scriptural commandments of God "weak and beggarly elements?"
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