Posted on 01/21/2009 8:54:24 AM PST by NYer
Millers church History....
http://www.stempublishing.com/history/
Let's start in Matthew 23:1 Then spake JESUS to the multitude, and to His disciples,
2 Saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
What is Moses’ seat that Christ is instructing??? Do you know, is it part of your tradition???
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say and do not.
4 For they BIND heavy burdens and grievous to be born, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be SEEN of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their GARMENTS,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the CHIEF seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be CALLED of men, RABBI, RABBI.
8 But BE NOT ye called Rabbi: for ONE is your Master, even Christ; and ALLLLLL ye are brethren.
NOW here is the command of Christ
9 And call NO man your father upon the EARTH: for ONE is your Father, Which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for ONE is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is GREATEST among you shall be your servant.
Just to clear up the pedantry and sophist projections. And the ‘gospel’ that the church is suppose to be instructing the sheeples. I did NOT pen this but would it NOT be considered ‘sola scripture’?????
So be it, hopefully you are not afraid of this conversation.. Are you a baptist?...
With its divine foundation, sanction, and mission, nothing could be more glorious than the Catholic Church. But, of course, many people -- even many baptized Catholics -- don't see it that way.
Sounds like this article was written for you - a baptized (ok, a guess here) Catholic that 'doesn't see it that way'. Seriously, I didn't think that the Catholic Church thinks itself above all in glory, but the article says that...and was posted, presumably, as an article for discussion and education...I just wanted to point out that it was a bad foundation, and I now think you agree with me.
Scripture clearly teaches Baptism. Such is the nature of the Great Commission. You seem to think the Sacraments and the Holy Spirit are at odds - God is nothing if He is not consistent.
Ditto.
Yes.
Let's start in Matthew 23:1
FAIL
You told me what you claim Matthew 23:9 says and told me I can look it up. I looked it up and, no, it does not say that. Here is what Matthew 23:9 says:
And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
I have nothing against Baptism.. for it is the ceremonial burial of "the old man"( as most of Romans intones) .. it is not a birth but a burial.. and the word stems from the word for immersion.. and form the Jewish ritual of the cleansing(ritual bathing) of the Levites.. that John the Baptist ministered.. (to Jews ceremionially)..
The projections are yours, just as the pedantry and sophistry are yours as well.
The projections are yours, just as the pedantry and sophistry are yours as well.
You seem to be claiming Miller says the Catholic Church is a denomination. If he says so, he is wrong.
NO.... the Roman Catholic Church is a denomination..
The Catholic Church just means the Universal Church..
for the word catholic means universal..
The Universal church is NO denomination for ALL christians belong to it.. if, indeed, they are christians..
Not all christians are christians.. not all white people are white and not all black people are black..
Yes. Absolutely true.
You have described the Catholic Church: not a denomination, but rather the Universal Church.
True.. but the Roman Catholic Church is a schism.. a denomination.. a sheep pen.. as the other denominations are..
But I have no problem with that.. Roman Catholics are where they are supposed to be.. penned up.. as are Baptists..
The Catholic Church the Universal Church founded by Christ. It is His bride.
Sputtering propaganda--that seems to consist largely of repeating sheep pens sheep pens sheep pens as often as possible--will not change this truth.
Below is what I typed not what you accuse me of doing.
**** Christ was perfect the only born in flesh to have never sinned. Matthew 23:9... you can look that one up.****
Where exactly in these words did I say "Christ was perfect the only born in flesh to have never sinned." was quoting a scripture? See the period? Am I attributing these words to scripture? NO. I then place a Scripture that is a point unto itself regarding a certain headdress, which I made in my original comment upon regarding Christ never wore anything like it. A man selected individual wears that to signify a 'title', however, out of the very mouth of Christ Himself, recorded in Scripture, He said NOT to do the very thing that is done.
**** Matthew 23:9... you can look that one up.****
Why would I tell you can look up something if I had already quoted the Scripture?
I guess this is a church thing.
Be careful backpedaling like that, you might collide into something and fall on your face.
Yes, master.
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Christ is my Master. If you think I'm your master, you need to read more Scripture.
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