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Keep the Mass in Christmas: Christians Undermined, Secularized Christmas [Ecumenical]
Standing On My Head ^
| December 17, 2008
| Fr. Dwight Longenecker
Posted on 12/17/2008 10:38:43 AM PST by NYer
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To: annalex; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field
Hm. Well, your liberation from tyranny of Rome certainly worked. Enjoy. Thanks. It has been a blessing, conformity to the His Commands vs. conformity to men.
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posted on
12/18/2008 8:30:48 AM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
Happy Holidays.
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posted on
12/18/2008 10:13:15 AM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: NYer
Some history I’ve read on the Puritans noted that they wouldn’t celebrate Christmas. One of them (maybe Bradford) wrote something to the effect that it’s an evil papist invention — the “mass” part was mentioned. Just a comment, FWIW...
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posted on
12/18/2008 10:25:21 AM PST
by
MayflowerMadam
(I feel much better since I gave up hope. ~~ sigh ~~)
To: annalex; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field
I think you have misunderstood the intent of my words based on
this reference.
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posted on
12/18/2008 10:45:48 AM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
So, is there a retraction or clarification of your #19?
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posted on
12/18/2008 10:55:58 AM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
So, is there a retraction or clarification of your #19? That would depend on what you thought I said.
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posted on
12/18/2008 11:23:32 AM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
I think you disagreed (19) with the statement (16):
if a community of faith wishes to celebrate something, or abstain from celebrating it, it has that right under any reasonable system of justice.
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posted on
12/18/2008 12:08:14 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
I think you disagreed (19) with the statement (16): I disagreed because of the vagueness and generality of terms, e.g., "any reasonable system of justice." Who is to define what is reasonable? Is animal sacrifice reasonable in worship? The use of cannabis?
My point being that what appears to be liberty might really be unsanctioned license. In any event, Im not sure how that comment warranted a cross reference.
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posted on
12/18/2008 12:31:21 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
In context, celebrations that are the right of people wishing to celebrate are traditional public celebrations of established religions such as the Catholic (and many other Christian denominations’) celebrations of Christmas, Epiphany, Easter, Pentacost, Nativity of the Mother of God, Nativity of St John the Baptist, Sunday Mass, saint days, etc.
At the same time, those who find fault with the celebration are free to speak against it and abstain from participating in it.
Reasonable system of justice is such that recognizes individual rights, for example, the American consitutional system.
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posted on
12/18/2008 12:45:16 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
С Рождеством Христовым
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posted on
12/18/2008 4:47:17 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
[Happy Christmas in Russian] Thank you very much, but it still does not remove the concerns I have with #19.
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posted on
12/19/2008 12:10:50 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
Thank you very much, but it still does not remove the concerns I have with #19. "Get used to disappointment."
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posted on
12/19/2008 12:24:36 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
Then you need to get used to being viewed as on the side of those who are persecuting Christians.
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posted on
12/19/2008 2:22:34 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
persecuting Christians Now we are really getting dramatic.
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posted on
12/19/2008 3:38:17 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
To: topcat54
One who wishes to deny “the right of people wishing to celebrate are traditional public celebrations of established religions such as the Catholic (and many other Christian denominations) celebrations of Christmas, Epiphany, Easter, Pentacost, Nativity of the Mother of God, Nativity of St John the Baptist, Sunday Mass, saint days, etc.” is wishing to persecute Christians.
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posted on
12/19/2008 3:40:58 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: Salvation
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posted on
02/03/2011 9:55:49 AM PST
by
Coleus
(Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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