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THE GREAT APOSTASY Chapt. 8 - INTERNAL CAUSES, CONTINUED.
http://www.cumorah.com/etexts/greatapostasy.txt ^ | James E. Talmage D.Sc.D., Ph.D., F.R.S.E.

Posted on 05/21/2008 7:02:35 PM PDT by Grig

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1 posted on 05/21/2008 7:02:35 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig

Chapter 7 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2015621/posts

Chapter 6 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2013874/posts

Chapter 5 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2012807/posts

Chapter 4 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2012282/posts

Chapter 3 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011762/posts

Chapter 2 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011222/posts

Chapter 1 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011218/posts


2 posted on 05/21/2008 7:03:59 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig

Is this supposed to be “open,” “ecumenic,” or “caucus”?


3 posted on 05/21/2008 7:17:30 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: greyfoxx39; SkyPilot; P-Marlowe

Ping - not surprisingly. this is missing a mormon tag....as it spends a majority of the article dumping on the early church.....what it shamefully ignores is the difficulty they have dragging dead people to the baptismal font (sarc)


4 posted on 05/21/2008 7:24:09 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: markomalley
Is this supposed to be “open,” “ecumenic,” or “caucus”?

will that change the whining level or the speed in which the button is hit ?

....mmmmm

nope

for we are swine to be hosed with the glorious wisdom that is mormonism

5 posted on 05/21/2008 8:28:23 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: markomalley; Revelation 911
Is this supposed to be “open,” “ecumenic,” or “caucus”?

Looks open to me.

Have at it.

Ping your pals.

If you are not a Mormon, you are an apostate.

6 posted on 05/21/2008 8:41:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grig; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Elsie; Zakeet; Revelation 911
CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE OF THE SACRAMENT OF THE LORD'S SUPPER

Obviously the sign of apostasy was when the Talmage's Church substituted Wonder Bread for unleavened bread and tap water for wine.

7 posted on 05/21/2008 8:46:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grig
As one of the effective causes leading to the apostasy of the Primitive Church we have specified: Unauthorized additions to the ceremonies of the church, and the introduction of vital changes in essential ordinances.

You mean like when the Mormon Church added stuff like this:


8 posted on 05/21/2008 8:56:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grig
Very early in its history, the Church manifested a tendency to supplant the pristine simplicity of its worship by elaborate ceremonies, patterned after Judaistic ritual and heathen idolatries.


9 posted on 05/21/2008 9:25:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grig

Pro 30:5 ¶ Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Pro 30:6 ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


10 posted on 05/21/2008 9:40:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Religion Moderator; Grig; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; ...
re: Posts 8 & 9.

I thought that on open threads it is those who push the abuse button who are the ones considered the disruptors. I pointed out with a couple of pictures the utter hypocrisy of the Author in criticizing the Early Church and accusing the church of apostasy for bringing in elaborate rituals and my posts were pulled.

A picture can say a thousand words. Yet there are some pictures which are not allowed even on open threads because they show what some consider to be "Sacred Temple Rites".

So it is ok to condemn the Catholic Church and the early church for some of their public rituals, but it is not OK to show the secret Mormon rituals, especially where the poster is a Mormon and the article is one which claims that the Catholic Church went into early apostasy because of some of the rituals which they supposedly added to the worship?

Is there a rule that on Open Threads, you can't post a picture of some secret ceremony? Or is it because the Mormon Temple Ritual so much resembles the Masonic Temple Ritual that it is not subject to the same rules that apply to every other religion on Free Republic?

Was the abuse button pushed, or was this an editorial decision by the Mods?

11 posted on 05/21/2008 10:39:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Religion Moderator; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; ...

A good question. I got booted from an open thread, here the Mormon view gets protected. Why the double standard?


12 posted on 05/21/2008 10:44:17 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I have decided that what ever ldsers want they get.


13 posted on 05/21/2008 10:45:06 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To RM re: Posts 8 & 9

Wow, that is the first time I have ever seen a post restored after being removed.

Thank you.

14 posted on 05/21/2008 10:52:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

You made a good argument, namely that the issue was raised by the article. It was not gratuitous.


15 posted on 05/21/2008 10:55:55 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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Joseph Smith was the first gentile to become a Latter Day Saint

It is interesting to study down through the ages in History the various ways the word Gentile was used!


16 posted on 05/22/2008 1:37:02 AM PDT by restornu (It is by the power of the Holy Ghost one is able to receive meat!)
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To: P-Marlowe

To be forthright these folks are not real LDS in those photos


17 posted on 05/22/2008 1:39:48 AM PDT by restornu (It is by the power of the Holy Ghost one is able to receive meat!)
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"To be forthright these folks are not real LDS in those photos"

As usual, an uncomfortable issue is sidestepped. The LDS ritual is real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sDDHwV4n20

18 posted on 05/22/2008 4:03:43 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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As usual, an uncomfortable issue is sidestepped. The LDS ritual is real.

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Not really because the way those things are portrayed is by x Mormons and anti’s they who snuck into the Temple and took their own photos.

There are no cameras allowed in the temple once it is dedicated to the Lord!

No where in the Bible would you read at anytime that Lord would allow such activities to violate sneaking in and taking illigal things that don’t belong to those who did this it was a wicked act.

You don’t violate the covenant to preserve the covenant!

When Jesus was on the earth he taught those who were teachable able to receive the Purpose Jesus was here.

He also encounter anti’s in his time {just like today the LDS have to deal with them) who tried to trip him up as well as his annoited.

The anti’s today are nothing new they are always the disrupters and law breakers etc.


19 posted on 05/22/2008 4:23:01 AM PDT by restornu (It is by the power of the Holy Ghost one is able to receive meat!)
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Not really because the way those things are portrayed is by x Mormons and anti’s they who snuck into the Temple and took their own photos.

There are no cameras allowed in the temple once it is dedicated to the Lord!

so you would have us believe that people committed a crime in order to enter a locked temple just to take a picture ?

sorry resty - I visited palmyra before it was dedicated - theres a gated 8ft fence surrounding the entire compound

20 posted on 05/22/2008 4:50:00 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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