Posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by NYer
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Heh. :)
After all, a word can only have one meaning!
As God wills.
Based on what scripture or logic?
The Parable of the Prodigal Son, the raising of Lazarus, and the discourse of the re-grafting of Israel in Romans 11, all indicate that the tranformation of the dead, and so of the sinner, is in substance and not forensic or judicial. While the reporobates suffer eternal separation and unquenchable fire, the righteous who stumble are restored in fruitfullness (Jonh 15:2).
Ultimately, we confess that we are NOT righteous
This is not a proper disposition. One confesses by telling of his concrete sins. If one were to come to a priest and declare that he is not righteous, the priest would still ask what sins he has to confess, and if the penitent is aware of his concrete sins but refuses to list them, the priest won't be able to absolve them. The anthropological question of the condition of man does not come up in the confessional at all.
There is nothing about confessional that logically leads to righteousness. The injured party is still an injured party
That would be true of the act of telling the sin, but not of the sacrament as a whole. The sin is told, and the penitent expresses the desire to repent. At this point the priest would advise to repair whatever damage to the other parties exists. Once the priest is satisfied that the penitent is determined to fix the problem, he absolves the sin and assigns spiritual work as penance. Naturally, often the same sin is re-committed, but the process is designed in such a way as to encourage gradual purification.
Further, once the sin is absolved, the penitent can receive Communion and that restores the spiritual loss he suffered:
57... He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. (John 6)No hint of judicial righteousness there. Was Christ merely judged righteous?
Clearly the OPC’s only contribution is imperious self-righteousness heresy.
As Machen wills.
You're doing God's work.
Please address that question and only that question. Thank you.
If and when anyone gets around to answering that question, will you please ping me. I'd be interested in hearing whatever evasions are offered beyond not answering the question.
Warning folks about the heresies of OPC—a seventy-year-old splinter group—is most certainly the Lord’s work.
Oh yeah. He's a parvenu. I'm more interested in The Lancashire Poet and Chaucer and Shakespeare, though I've never tried Beowulf.
Seriously, I go to the OED for my words, though the American Heritage has good etymological stuff.
I don't normally waste my time on the 'GREEK'...Likely that Greek word has multiple meanings so it depends on which translator you like to go with...
Well I guess maybe don't think the time I spend on Greek is a waste. Maybe. And there's some very good work available. One day Kittel will be on line and, well, we'll never get anything done.
Keeping Him there in the midst of that shame and NOT letting Him get off that cursed Cross is quite another...
I guess we're going to have to get beyond the figurative speech, if you wouldn't mind. We're not "keeping" Him on the cross any more than the Marine Memorial is keeping any troops on that hill on Iwo Jima. They're both images, reconstructions, more or less imaginatively, of something that happened. The Iwo Jima monument recalls and honors a great and successful struggle. What is wrong with that? Do we dishonor the Marines by portraying their struggle? And, if nothing, then what is wrong with honoring and recalling THE great struggle?
In all straightforwarditude, I don't get it, not really.
If you were baptized in the vitriol of anti-Catholic hate, it would make perfect sense.
It’s only once that I posted it. did someone post it before? I’d be curious to review the previous thread.
Feel free to explain how wrong it is, it’s an open thread.
I did not say I wouldn't take questions or anything like that. I did say I wouldn't be able to defend my opinion, not that I wasn't willing to look at it or talk about it. You might view that as my anticipatory apology to my co-religionists for the bad job I will do if challenged.
The OPC is not alone in this defense, but IMO it clearly aligns with God's revelation of Himself and His providence in our lives found in Scripture.
As God wills.
It might claim to do so, but as your first three claims are mutually exclusive of the fourth, the statement is impossible.
What the OPC does articulate are the false doctrines of sola scriptura, sola fide, sola Cauvin and sola Machen; and generally, the worship of a false supralapsarian god, the author of good and evil, created in the image of an autocratic French lawyer.
Perhaps you could actually read the website and learn about the OPC as I have learned about the RCC.
I don’t waste my time studying the depths of heresy of every storefront splinter faction that comes down the pike. There are just too many of them and I am only one man.
LOL You sure provide some amusing posts.
If I learned about OPC the way some here have “learned” about the Catholic Church, I’d take every opportunity to post lie after lie about OPC and repost them over and over no matter how many corrections were offered.
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Heh. You do have a way with words, Petronski. :)
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. (John 6)
And he eats, and eats, and eats, and eats...How long does the penitant remain spiritual??? Matthew says it goes in one end and out the other...
How long does this eaten spirituality last???
I thank God that He sacrificed Himself ONCE...That's all it took for me...One Sacrifice...One time...I'm good to go...
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